De-farbing Rifles

[Bfd807]

Thank Yall very much.
I wasnt my intent to start a pissing match, or stir the pot. Unfortunately I live in one of those communist states listed above. I have stayed out of prison my whole life and definately do not want to end up there. It was just something I thought about while thawing out from being in the sub zero freezer outside.

 

[captaindrew]

Thank Yall very much.
I wasnt my intent to start a pissing match, or stir the pot. Unfortunately I live in one of those communist states listed above. I have stayed out of prison my whole life and definately do not want to end up there. It was just something I thought about while thawing out from being in the sub zero freezer outside.

You didn't stir anything up, this topic has come up before on here and it's a good question. You should be familiar with your state's gun laws when buying any gun. I assume you're in Illinois. That's out of my area of travel so I wasn't familiar with them so after @Jobe Holiday informed me of their laws out of curiosity I looked them up. It kind of contradicts itself because it uses the same language to define an antique as the GCA yet as far as sale or possession it considers them a firearm. The way I understand it you need a FOID (firearm owner identification card) to buy or posses any firearm in Illinois including black powder and have to purchase them from a FFL. It's even worse than NJ. In NJ you have to purchase them from a FFL but I'm not aware of any other requirements. Maybe someone here from Illinois could clarify that. I'd talk to other reenactors in your area to make sure of that. As far as owning a defarbed musket there I highly doubt a P53 or M61 would be on any law enforcement radar and if you had a FOID I don't think you would have a problem. Again I would check with local reenactors and ask the guys at Lodgewood if there's any problems. I'm sure they are aware of any legal issues that might be present in certain states. That said with the gun laws there maybe it's the safer bet to stick to one out of the box. Or you can still do some work on them to improve the look but leave the modern numbers alone and in place.

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Ikesdad is correct, the reproduction Henry rifle is a modern regulated firearm and it is not rimfire. It is a centerfire rifle with ammunition available from regular sources. When purchased new the transactions are done through FFL dealers.
J.

 

[Bfd807]

I am from NJ
If you read the first paragraph of the laws here, it esentially bans all firearms, but does make certain exemptions. Its definately double talk for sure, and it is only getting worse here now. Cant wait to get out of here, but they still get you, there is actually an exit tax if you leave and dont keep a residence here, but that is a topic for another time.

 

[captaindrew]

I am from NJ
If you read the first paragraph of the laws here, it esentially bans all firearms, but does make certain exemptions. Its definately double talk for sure, and it is only getting worse here now. Cant wait to get out of here, but they still get you, there is actually an exit tax if you leave and dont keep a residence here, but that is a topic for another time.

I know several reenactors from NJ, I was originally from there myself many many moons ago when things weren't so crazy. There are several on here that could probably help @frontrank2 and @rebed19th come to mind. Maybe they could clarify things there for you as far as current laws regarding black powder in NJ but as far as I know (which certainly isn't much sometimes) you have to buy them or have them shipped to a FFL dealer. Other than that I don't know of any other requirements or restrictions. I would be careful transporting them in NJ and make sure you follow the rules for any other firearm. I pass through NJ a few times in the summer heading to events and believe me I tread lightly and pass through there as quickly as I can. Now I may stand corrected but I was watching another discussion on another forum that it's perfectly fine to purchase one in another state and bring it home to NJ with no problem. Say you visited one of the sutlers over in Gettysburg. Maybe one of the guys from there could clarify that. I'll make a call to one of the guys up there later too. Again I'm sure the veteran guys in your local unit are up to date with the does and don'ts so look to them to steer you right.

 

[frontrank2]

I know several reenactors from NJ, I was originally from there myself many many moons ago when things weren't so crazy. There are several on here that could probably help @frontrank2 and @rebed19th come to mind. Maybe they could clarify things there for you as far as current laws regarding black powder in NJ but as far as I know (which certainly isn't much sometimes) you have to buy them or have them shipped to a FFL dealer. Other than that I don't know of any other requirements or restrictions. I would be careful transporting them in NJ and make sure you follow the rules for any other firearm. I pass through NJ a few times in the summer heading to events and believe me I tread lightly and pass through there as quickly as I can. Now I may stand corrected but I was watching another discussion on another forum that it's perfectly fine to purchase one in another state and bring it home to NJ with no problem. Say you visited one of the sutlers over in Gettysburg. Maybe one of the guys from there could clarify that. I'll make a call to one of the guys up there later too. Again I'm sure the veteran guys in your local unit are up to date with the does and don'ts so look to them to steer you right.

Up until about ten years ago, a NJ FOID card was not required to own a black powder musket. Now, I do believe an ID card is a requirement. A NJ pistol permit IS a requirement for bp cap and ball revolvers, they are treated the same as modern handguns. I remember a couple of years ago a retired schoolteacher was arrested for a 250 yr. old flintlock pistol he owned without a permit. So IMHO to be on the safe side, get your yellow NJ ID card to protect you and your muskets. BTW, some sutlers won't even ship firearms to NJ at all! Oh, and I moved away from the People's Republic of NJ six months ago.

 

[captaindrew]

Up until about ten years ago, a NJ FOID card was not required to own a black powder musket. Now, I do believe an ID card is a requirement. A NJ pistol permit IS a requirement for bp cap and ball revolvers, they are treated the same as modern handguns. I remember a couple of years ago a retired schoolteacher was arrested for a 250 yr. old flintlock pistol he owned without a permit. So IMHO to be on the safe side, get your yellow NJ ID card to protect you and your muskets. BTW, some sutlers won't even ship firearms to NJ at all! Oh, and I moved away from the People's Republic of NJ six months ago.

Congrats on your escape and thanks for the info.

 

[rebed19th]

In response to the original question about defarbing a musket, in the nj statute this could be a problem because there is a law about "defacing" a firearm which means to remove, deface, cover, alter or destroy the name of the maker, model designation, manufacturers serial number, or any distinguishing identification mark on any firearm. You could get away with defarbing it but like any law there are 2 sides, you may win your case but you would have to get a lawyer to help and it would cost $$. Not worth the trouble to me. I like to be on the safe side of the law so I do have a NJ firearms id card which allows the card holder to purchase and carry rifles and shotguns. The important term to use if stopped is that I have an Antique/Reproduction Musket (pre 1898) in my car. I have seen this term used and it took care of the issue. Hope this helps in making your decision.