Custer versus Longstreet

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Hello,
At the morning of the 9th April 1865 General Custer went to the confederate General John B. Gordon to prompt him to surrender with the Army of Northern Virginia. Gordon refused and Custer talks to Longstreet, now wanted him to surrender.
Does anyone knows more about that? Maybe were I can find mor?
Must be an interesting situation, Longstreet was not very happy about Custer's Appearance ( " go ahead and get any bloodshed you want " ) ...
 
Hello,
At the morning of the 9th April 1865 General Custer went to the confederate General John B. Gordon to prompt him to surrender with the Army of Northern Virginia. Gordon refused and Custer talks to Longstreet, now wanted him to surrender.
Does anyone knows more about that? Maybe were I can find mor?
Must be an interesting situation, Longstreet was not very happy about Custer's Appearance ( " go ahead and get any bloodshed you want " ) ...
I don't know. I had no idea he met with Longstreet.

I know he met with Gordon. I can't imagine how that went.
 
Hello,
At the morning of the 9th April 1865 General Custer went to the confederate General John B. Gordon to prompt him to surrender with the Army of Northern Virginia. Gordon refused and Custer talks to Longstreet, now wanted him to surrender.
Does anyone knows more about that? Maybe were I can find mor?
Must be an interesting situation, Longstreet was not very happy about Custer's Appearance ( " go ahead and get any bloodshed you want " ) ...
The source is Longstreets memoir which is published in the 1890s, well after Custers death. I have seen that account used in several books and none of the authors seem to question its veracity despite the time lapse after the war to when it is in written form like that they do other authors in that same range (Gordon, Chamberlain). It's a great story....if true.
 
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The source is Longstreets memoir which is published in the 1890s, well after Custers death. I have seen that account used in several books and none of the authors seem to question its veracity despite the time lapse after the war to when it is in written form like that they do other authors in that same range (Gordon, Chamberlain). It's a great story....if true.
That would be sad, if it's not true.
Longstreets book is on my list for years, I did'nt read it until now, but it's the next. When I have finished the latest book, von Borcke 's 2 volume report of the war, I hope it arrives soon, just ordered
 
That would be sad, if it's not true.
Longstreets book is on my list for years, I did'nt read it until now, but it's the next. When I have finished the latest book, von Borcke 's 2 volume report of the war, I hope it arrives soon, just ordered
I am a fan of both Longstreet and Custer ( during the Civil War) but I am wary of any autobiography . Could this have happened ? Absolutely . Did it happen? Who knows.
 
The source is Longstreets memoir which is published in the 1890s, well after Custers death. I have seen that account used in several books and none of the authors seem to question its veracity despite the time lapse after the war to when it is in written form like that they do other authors in that same range (Gordon, Chamberlain). It's a great story....if true.
This is also where I saw it. Longstreet describes that up until the last moment when Lee sent his letter to Grant they had been looking for a way to escape, some route that was open, and also that while Lee and Grant had been exchanging letters there wasn't a truce until Lee sent his letter to Grant.

Says Longstreet:

"While this formation [his last battle formation] was proceeding, report came from our front that a break had been found through which we could force passage."

Longstreet then proceeds to send a Col to Lee, to inform him of this way out before he surrendered. However, when this colonel finds Lee, Lee says that the letter has gone beyond recall to Grant. It's just as well because Longstreet writes that he then found out that the supposed way out was a false hope.

In Longstreet words:

"As my troops marched to form the last line a message came from General Lee saying he had not thought to give notice of the intended ride to meet General Grant, and asked to have me send his message to that effect to General Gordon, and it was duly sent by Captain Sims, of the Third Corps staff, serving at my head-quarters since the fall of A. P. Hill.

After delivering the message, Captain Sims, through some informality, was sent to call the truce. The firing ceased. General Custer rode to Captain Sims to know his authority, and, upon finding that he was of my staff, asked to be conducted to my head-quarters, and down they came in fast gallop, General Custer's flaxen locks flowing over his shoulders, and in brusk, excited manner, he said,—
"In the name of General Sheridan I demand the unconditional surrender of this army."
He was reminded that I was not the commander of the army, that he was within the lines of the enemy without authority, addressing a superior officer, and in disrespect to General Grant as well as myself; that if I was the commander of the army I would not receive the message of General Sheridan.
He then became more moderate, saying it would be a pity to have more blood upon that field. Then I suggested that the truce be respected, and said,—
"As you are now more reasonable, I will say that General Lee has gone to meet General Grant, and it is for them to determine the future of the armies."

He was then satisfied and returned to his command."

—————

I don't discredit this account because while Grant was not a witness to it, in his memoirs he does mention Sheridan and his men being really anxious believing the rebels were using a ruse to try to escape. Grant's words:

"I was conducted at once to where Sheridan was located with his troops drawn up in line of battle facing the Confederate army nearby. They were very much excited, and expressed their view that this was all a ruse employed to enable the Confederates to get away. They said they believed that Johnston was marching up from North Carolina now, and Lee was moving to join him; and they would whip the rebels where they now were in five minutes if I would only let them."

Excerpt From
Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant, Complete
Ulysses S. Grant
This material may be protected by copyright.

I do tend to conclude both that the rebels were looking for a way out up until that moment when Lee sent out that letter to General Grant, and that Sheridan and Meade were both eager to not let them get away. At the point Custer rode into camp, they had agreed only to the briefest truce of a couple of hours to ensure Grant received that letter from Lee.

Cheers.
 
This is also where I saw it. Longstreet describes that up until the last moment when Lee sent his letter to Grant they had been looking for a way to escape, some route that was open, and also that while Lee and Grant had been exchanging letters there wasn't a truce until Lee sent his letter to Grant.

Says Longstreet:

"While this formation [his last battle formation] was proceeding, report came from our front that a break had been found through which we could force passage."

Longstreet then proceeds to send a Col to Lee, to inform him of this way out before he surrendered. However, when this colonel finds Lee, Lee says that the letter has gone beyond recall to Grant. It's just as well because Longstreet writes that he then found out that the supposed way out was a false hope.

In Longstreet words:

"As my troops marched to form the last line a message came from General Lee saying he had not thought to give notice of the intended ride to meet General Grant, and asked to have me send his message to that effect to General Gordon, and it was duly sent by Captain Sims, of the Third Corps staff, serving at my head-quarters since the fall of A. P. Hill.

After delivering the message, Captain Sims, through some informality, was sent to call the truce. The firing ceased. General Custer rode to Captain Sims to know his authority, and, upon finding that he was of my staff, asked to be conducted to my head-quarters, and down they came in fast gallop, General Custer's flaxen locks flowing over his shoulders, and in brusk, excited manner, he said,—
"In the name of General Sheridan I demand the unconditional surrender of this army."
He was reminded that I was not the commander of the army, that he was within the lines of the enemy without authority, addressing a superior officer, and in disrespect to General Grant as well as myself; that if I was the commander of the army I would not receive the message of General Sheridan.
He then became more moderate, saying it would be a pity to have more blood upon that field. Then I suggested that the truce be respected, and said,—
"As you are now more reasonable, I will say that General Lee has gone to meet General Grant, and it is for them to determine the future of the armies."

He was then satisfied and returned to his command."

—————

I don't discredit this account because while Grant was not a witness to it, in his memoirs he does mention Sheridan and his men being really anxious believing the rebels were using a ruse to try to escape. Grant's words:

"I was conducted at once to where Sheridan was located with his troops drawn up in line of battle facing the Confederate army nearby. They were very much excited, and expressed their view that this was all a ruse employed to enable the Confederates to get away. They said they believed that Johnston was marching up from North Carolina now, and Lee was moving to join him; and they would whip the rebels where they now were in five minutes if I would only let them."

Excerpt From
Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant, Complete
Ulysses S. Grant
This material may be protected by copyright.

I do tend to conclude both that the rebels were looking for a way out up until that moment when Lee sent out that letter to General Grant, and that Sheridan and Meade were both eager to not let them get away. At the point Custer rode into camp, they had agreed only to the briefest truce of a couple of hours to ensure Grant received that letter from Lee.

Cheers.
I read on another thread I believe that Longstreet was none too happy to have Custer of all people, show up, and told him to go back through the lines quick as he wouldn't harm him but couldn't guarantee his safety from the men.
 
I read on another thread I believe that Longstreet was none too happy to have Custer of all people, show up, and told him to go back through the lines quick as he wouldn't harm him but couldn't guarantee his safety from the men.
I read the Story that way too. Longstreet was very angry. One called it the hottest clash of the day
 
I can only imagine the thought process in sending Custer there.
Custer did on his own, noone sendet him. He said, that he was there by order from Sheridan, but that was'nt true. I could imagine that Custer thought: " what if they surrender to me... " and could'nt resist
 
I saw your posts, and remembered that Sheridan gives more detail in his memoirs (which I haven't read in their entirety, but focused on the Appomattox campaign.) I highly recommend reading at least that section which is really interesting. I had intended to quote the relevant passages but his narrative of the events immediately preceding the surrender is several pages long and more detailed than Longstreet's. What is evident is that there was some firing and back and forth communication between officers of both armies concerning the truce.

Writes Sheridan:

"He came back in a few minutes with apologies for what had occurred, and informed me that General Gordon and General Wilcox were the superior officers in the group. As they wished me to join them I rode up with my staff, but we had hardly met when in front of Merritt firing began. At the sound I turned to General Gordon, who seemed embarrassed by the occurrence, and remarked: "General, your men fired on me as I was coming over here, and undoubtedly they are treating Merritt and Custer the same way. We might as well let them fight it out."
He replied, "There must be some mistake." I then asked, "Why not send a staff-officer and have your people cease firing; they are violating the flag." He answered, "I have no staff-officer to send." Whereupon I said
that I would let him have one of mine, and calling for Lieutenant Vanderbilt Allen, I directed him to carry General Gordon's orders to General Geary, commanding a small brigade of South Carolina cavalry, to discontinue firing."

Excerpt From
Personal Memoirs of P. H. Sheridan, General, United States Army — Complete
Philip Henry Sheridan
This material may be protected by copyright.

He goes on with other interesting details but doesn't mention Custer again. It seems clear Custer wasnt next to him but in a line with Merritt, which possibly received the communication referenced by Longstreet, etc. Notice that Longstreet makes reference to there being firing and it having stopped after he sent Captain Sims, when Custer then rode in to meet him.

So it seems that Sheridan rode to meet Gordon while Custer rode to met Longstreet. This is congruent with Longstreet writing that Lee told him he forgot to send word to Gordon about the surrender and truce. Because there was firing the officers in charge had to deal with what was going on in front of them since the truce wasn't being respected. It seems to have been resolved by Longstreet (as he was ordered by Lee to inform them of the truce).

It's kind of confusing because different people were at different places and thus not witnesses to everything.
 
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I saw your posts, and remembered that Sheridan gives more detail in his memoirs (which I haven't read in their entirety, but focused on the Appomattox campaign.) I highly recommend reading at least that section which is really interesting. I had intended to quote the relevant passages but his narrative of the events immediately preceding the surrender is several pages long and more detailed than Longstreet's. What is evident is that there was some firing and back and forth communication between officers of both armies concerning the truce.

Writes Sheridan:

"He came back in a few minutes with apologies for what had occurred, and informed me that General Gordon and General Wilcox were the superior officers in the group. As they wished me to join them I rode up with my staff, but we had hardly met when in front of Merritt firing began. At the sound I turned to General Gordon, who seemed embarrassed by the occurrence, and remarked: "General, your men fired on me as I was coming over here, and undoubtedly they are treating Merritt and Custer the same way. We might as well let them fight it out."
He replied, "There must be some mistake." I then asked, "Why not send a staff-officer and have your people cease firing; they are violating the flag." He answered, "I have no staff-officer to send." Whereupon I said
that I would let him have one of mine, and calling for Lieutenant Vanderbilt Allen, I directed him to carry General Gordon's orders to General Geary, commanding a small brigade of South Carolina cavalry, to discontinue firing."

Excerpt From
Personal Memoirs of P. H. Sheridan, General, United States Army — Complete
Philip Henry Sheridan
This material may be protected by copyright.

He goes on with other interesting details but doesn't mention Custer again. It seems clear Custer wasnt next to him but in a line with Merritt, which possibly received the communication referenced by Longstreet, etc. Notice that Longstreet makes reference to there being firing and it having stopped after he sent Captain Sims, when Custer then rode in to meet him.

So it seems that Sheridan rode to meet Gordon while Custer rode to met Longstreet. This is congruent with Longstreet writing that Lee told him he forgot to send word to Gordon about the surrender and truce. Because there was firing the officers in charge had to deal with what was going on in front of them since the truce wasn't being respected. It seems to have been resolved by Longstreet (as he was ordered by Lee to inform them of the truce).

It's kind of confusing because different people were at different places and thus not witnesses to everything.
Interesting, that's new to me. I'm still looking for more informations about that. I will get Sheridan's book, did'nt get this idea on my own...
 

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