Connection between John Brown and Grant..

[dvrmte]

The topic of this thread: Connection between John Brown and Grant..

Then quit hijacking it and move on. There's a 'Grant the Jew Hater' thread bumped.

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

Clarify please? Just for general curiosity, not for argument. Would this have been while Jesse Grant had his young family or was part of one himself? There are SO many threads or discussions on whether or not his son was mildly abolitionist, or racist, or even cared one way or the other pre-war, be interesting to know more of what went on in the house growing up. John Brown was always passionate about what ended up getting him killed, it's not like he sprang a wild hair one day, grabbed some buddies and munitions and strolled on over to Harper's Ferry. I'm guessing you didn't share a living space with the man without hearing about IT.

Please know that no, of course am not jumping to some silly, idiotic conclusion. Just interesting, hearing they crossed paths rather intimately.

 

[RobertP]

http://books.google.com/books?id=FlJ1xPEyW0sC&pg=PA513&lpg=PA513&dq=jesse grant holly springs father&source=bl&ots=JB6qYYJJd7&sig=H2Mmq94Mh6dXIS1RzToXseQK95A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8_zxUNb0OYjJrQHJ_oCoDQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=jesse grant holly springs father&f=false page513

Yes. Apparently Jesse Grant was in Oxford at the time the order was issued, not at Vicksburg which was still in Confederate hands and nearly 200 mi. away by rail. Here's a railroad map that shows the relationship.

 

[ForeverFree]

I ran across an intersting tidbit while reading Grants memoirs.. It seems that Grant's father actually lived with John Browns parents for a while and actually knew the man..Intertesting stuff...

The follow-up question is, is there any evidence that this had any impact or effect on US Grant in terms of his own thinking about abolition?

- Alan

 

[cash]

Don't think Brown was where?

Wherever Jesse Grant was in 1862.

 

[cash]

The follow-up question is, is there any evidence that this had any impact or effect on US Grant in terms of his own thinking about abolition?

- Alan

I would say that any effect would have been quite indirect, transmitted through his father, Jesse. While Jesse was a devoted abolitionist, U.S. Grant apparently was not.

 

[gem]

Grant's family was lucky to be associated with man as Great as John Brown.

 

[BillO]

Grant's family was lucky to be associated with man as Great as John Brown.

What a tool.

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

Too funny, sorry! Boy would Brown have hated the 'tool' description, too. It's sometimes great to not really know much going in because you kind of get to make up your own mind. Takes on Brown have been alllll over the place. Hero to Kook. I realize the perspective on helping break the dreadful national tension but so far have to go with er- Kook. Before I get yelled at, I just plain dislike extremists on anything-they give me the willies across the board. Anyway, if there did happen to be any influence there, or attempted influence, I'd have to guess Jesse Grant may have played it down. Bet it didn't pay to have one's name associated with Brown too awfully closely at that time, abolitionist or no.