Connection between John Brown and Grant..

[wilber6150]

I ran across an intersting tidbit while reading Grants memoirs.. It seems that Grant's father actually lived with John Browns parents for a while and actually knew the man..Intertesting stuff...

 

[gem]

nice!

 

[cash]

Jesse Grant was a staunch abolitionist.

 

[kholland]

I ran across an intersting tidbit while reading Grants memoirs.. It seems that Grant's father actually lived with John Browns parents for a while and actually knew the man..Intertesting stuff...

Just another of those stories that made the war interesting.

 

[dvrmte]

I ran across an intersting tidbit while reading Grants memoirs.. It seems that Grant's father actually lived with John Browns parents for a while and actually knew the man..Intertesting stuff...

I ran across something regarding Jesse Grant. It seems his arrival around Vicksburg with a few of his Jewish cotton speculators may have been the stimulus for US Grant expelling the Jews.

 

[ole]

I ran across something regarding Jesse Grant. It seems his arrival around Vicksburg with a few of his Jewish cotton speculators may have been the stimulus for US Grant expelling the Jews.

There is some of that in the story. Seems that Jesse Grant took advantage of his son's position and descemded on Grant's territory to get some cotton. The infamous order was directed against his father with some unfortunate wording that appeared to discriminate agains all Jewish persons.

We have several threads discussing the order. Maybe time to dust off some of those and look at the circumstances?

 

[dvrmte]

There is some of that in the story. Seems that Jesse Grant took advantage of his son's position and descemded on Grant's territory to get some cotton. The infamous order was directed against his father with some unfortunate wording that appeared to discriminate agains all Jewish persons.

We have several threads discussing the order. Maybe time to dust off some of those and look at the circumstances?

In other words, don't hijack this thread?

 

[matthew mckeon]

Maybe because there were fewer people, but there all are sort of weird "connections" between people in the Civil War. The friendships between the small officer corps in the old army is maybe expected.

My prize entry: We have all heard of the Donner Party, and its ordeal in the Sierra Nevadas. Most of the members of the ill fated group were from Springfield, and its most prominent member was James Reed. Reed and Lincoln were in the same militia company in the Black Hawk War.

Or John Brown's raid being suppressed by Robert E. Lee and J.E.B. Stuart?

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

Great thread, thank you! As stated, perhaps it was because there were fewer people but these stories are fascinating.

I hadn't heard of that reason for Grant's order, thanks also. Knew his family was a pain, did not know there was a connection. Will find time to search thread, thank you!

 

[RobertP]

I ran across something regarding Jesse Grant. It seems his arrival around Vicksburg with a few of his Jewish cotton speculators may have been the stimulus for US Grant expelling the Jews.

Grant issued his General Order #11 on 12/17/62 from his base at Oxford, Miss. On 12/20/62 the supply base at Holly Springs was destroyed and he backtracked to Tennessee, rather than heading south in coordination with Sherman's assault at Vicksburg/Chickasaw Bayou. That left Sherman out on a limb and the result was disaster.

Grant's father was nowhere near Vicksburg at the time.

 

[lakertaker]

I ran across an intersting tidbit while reading Grants memoirs.. It seems that Grant's father actually lived with John Browns parents for a while and actually knew the man..Intertesting stuff...

Right. Grant's father worked for and lived with Owen Brown. Grant's father described John Brown as a man of great purity of character, of high moral and physical courage, but a fanatic and extremist in whatever he advocated.

 

[yankee belle]

There was a thread about the Brown's and Grant's in Deerfield, Ohio. I live less than an hour away.

 

[dvrmte]

Grant issued his General Order #11 on 12/17/62 from his base at Oxford, Miss. On 12/20/62 the supply base at Holly Springs was destroyed and he backtracked to Tennessee, rather than heading south in coordination with Sherman's assault at Vicksburg/Chickasaw Bayou. That left Sherman out on a limb and the result was disaster.

Grant's father was nowhere near Vicksburg at the time.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Fl...ge&q=jesse grant holly springs father&f=false page513

 

[cash]

http://books.google.com/books?id=FlJ1xPEyW0sC&pg=PA513&lpg=PA513&dq=jesse grant holly springs father&source=bl&ots=JB6qYYJJd7&sig=H2Mmq94Mh6dXIS1RzToXseQK95A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8_zxUNb0OYjJrQHJ_oCoDQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=jesse grant holly springs father&f=false page513

I can't seem to find the reference to John Brown in here.

 

[dvrmte]

I can't seem to find the reference to John Brown in here.

I'm trying not to hijack this thread beyond a little side track. The link is regarding Jesse Grant being in the Vicksburg vicinity.

 

[Flyer75]

There is a brief mention of this meeting in H.W. Brands book, "The Man Who Saved the Union". Right off the bat in the first paragraph, "His ancestor Matthew Grant crossed the Atlantic from England with the Puritans in the 1630s, and subsequent Grants migrated progressively west: to Connecticut in the seventeenth century, Pennsylvania in the eighteenth, Ohio in the nineteenth. Jesse Grant, of the sixth generation of American Grants, for a time lived in Deerfield, Ohio, with a family named Brown, of whom a son, John, would attempt to start a slave revolt at Harpers Ferry, Virginia, in 1859." p. 7, Brands.

On p. 81 of the same book, Brands states, "The abolitionists rejoined with reinforcements of their own, including the monomaniacal John Brown. After crossing paths with Grants father in Ohio, Brown went east to school, then into business and farming."

 

[cash]

I'm trying not to hijack this thread beyond a little side track. The link is regarding Jesse Grant being in the Vicksburg vicinity.

I don't think John Brown was there.

 

[dvrmte]

I don't think John Brown was there.

Neither was Rodney Dangerfield.

 

[cash]

Neither was Rodney Dangerfield.

The topic of this thread: Connection between John Brown and Grant..

 

[wilber6150]

I don't think John Brown was there.

Don't think Brown was where?