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Happy to report that I'm the new owner of a genuine Confederate used shotgun. How do I know it was Confederate? This shotgun is featured in the book Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns by Russ A. Pritchard and John W. Ashworth. (on pages 134 & 135)

This shotgun was made in Birmingham, England and shows the commercial proof marks on the bottom of both barrels. The Birmingham View mark (crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the V in the lower quadrant) is stamped on both breech plugs. The same mark is repeated on both barrels. The number 12 (the bore or gauge size) is stamped on both barrels. The final proof of the Birmingham Proof House (crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the letters BPC in the other three quadrants) is stamped on both barrels.

The shotgun has been altered for mounted use. As discussed in the book, "Examples of shotguns modified for mounted use (that were) examined indicate barrels were not shortened to a uniform length but usually between 18 to 24 inches… No Ordinance Department instructions or related documents have been found that enumerate the modifications to those shotguns intended for mounted use. Several documents have been located that unquestionably prove that shotguns were "cut off" for use by mounted troops." Also, "Actual examples of such shotguns are quite rare. This rarity suggests only a limited number were altered and there was a very low survival rate. It is probable that many were discarded in postwar years because with shortened barrels they were useless for hunting."

This example was imported by Alexander McComas of Baltimore Maryland. Information on Mr. McComas and his business are presented from the book in pictures below.

As described in the book, "The shotgun is 39 inches overall with 23.5 inch, 12 bore shortened barrels. The barrels have platinum blowouts. There is an undecipherable single line engraving on the top barrel rib. There is no front site. The bottom of the barrels are stamped with standard Birmingham proofs and are numbered "2166" on each barrel."

As has been advised here by many, buy the books & research first. I knew I wanted a CW shotgun and all the better if it was Confederate. I purchased the book, read it, and when I came across this one for sale I was able to recognize it for what it is and bought it.

I have seen other shotguns that are presented in Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns listed for sale with prices between $2k-$3k. I'm pleased to say that I purchased this one for a fraction of those prices. I suspect (but cannot be sure) that the owner was unaware that this was a confirmed Confederate used shotgun. Regardless I am very pleased to have it as part of my meager collection.

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Happy to report that I'm the new owner of a genuine Confederate used shotgun. How can I make such a claim? This shotgun is featured in the book Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns by Russ A. Pritchard and John W. Ashworth. (Pages 134 & 135)

This shotgun was made in Birmingham, England and shows the commercial proof marks on the bottom of both barrels. The Birmingham View mark, crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the V in the lower quadrant, is stamped on both breech plugs. The same mark is repeated on both barrels. The number 12, the bore or gauge size, is stamped on both barrels. The final proof of the Birmingham Proof House, crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the letters BPC in the other three quadrants is stamped on both barrels.

The shotgun has been altered for mounted use. As discussed in the book, "examples of shotguns modified for mounted use (that were) examined indicate barrels were not shortened to a uniform length but usually between 18 to 24 inches… No Ordinance Department instructions or related documents have been found that enumerate the modifications to those shotguns intended for mounted use. Several documents have been located that unquestionably prove that shotguns were "cut off" for use by mounted troops." Also, "Actual examples of such shotguns are quite rare. This rarity suggests only a limited number were altered and there was a very low survival rate. It is probable that many were discarded in postwar years because with shortened barrels they were useless for hunting."

This example was imported by Alexander McComas of Baltimore Maryland. Information on Mr. McComas and his business are presented from the book in pictures below.

As described in the book, "the shotgun is 39 inches overall with 23.5 inch, 12 bore shortened barrels. The barrels have platinum blowouts. There is an undecipherable single line engraving on the top barrel rib. There is no front site. The bottom of the barrels are stamped with standard Birmingham proofs and are numbered "2166" on each barrel."

I have seen other shotguns that are presented in Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns listed for sale with prices between $2k-$3k. I'm pleased to say that I purchased this one for a fraction of those prices. I suspect (but cannot be sure) that the owner was unaware that this was a confirmed Confederate used shotgun. Regardless I am very pleased to have it as part of my meager collection.

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Jealous!
 
I'm assuming the platinum blow-outs are the gold-colored disks on each the side of the breach? I'm also assuming they are there in case of an overcharge/over-pressure load in the barrels? The plugs would blow out instead of the barrel bursting. I don't think I've ever seen that in an older gun. Interesting.
 
Happy to report that I'm the new owner of a genuine Confederate used shotgun. How can I make such a claim? This shotgun is featured in the book Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns by Russ A. Pritchard and John W. Ashworth. (Pages 134 & 135)

This shotgun was made in Birmingham, England and shows the commercial proof marks on the bottom of both barrels. The Birmingham View mark, crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the V in the lower quadrant, is stamped on both breech plugs. The same mark is repeated on both barrels. The number 12, the bore or gauge size, is stamped on both barrels. The final proof of the Birmingham Proof House, crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the letters BPC in the other three quadrants is stamped on both barrels.

The shotgun has been altered for mounted use. As discussed in the book, "examples of shotguns modified for mounted use (that were) examined indicate barrels were not shortened to a uniform length but usually between 18 to 24 inches… No Ordinance Department instructions or related documents have been found that enumerate the modifications to those shotguns intended for mounted use. Several documents have been located that unquestionably prove that shotguns were "cut off" for use by mounted troops." Also, "Actual examples of such shotguns are quite rare. This rarity suggests only a limited number were altered and there was a very low survival rate. It is probable that many were discarded in postwar years because with shortened barrels they were useless for hunting."

This example was imported by Alexander McComas of Baltimore Maryland. Information on Mr. McComas and his business are presented from the book in pictures below.

As described in the book, "the shotgun is 39 inches overall with 23.5 inch, 12 bore shortened barrels. The barrels have platinum blowouts. There is an undecipherable single line engraving on the top barrel rib. There is no front site. The bottom of the barrels are stamped with standard Birmingham proofs and are numbered "2166" on each barrel."

As has been advised here by many, buy the books & research first. I knew I wanted a CW shotgun and all the better if it was Confederate. I purchased the book, read it, and when I came across this one for sale I was able to recognize it for what it is and bought it.

I have seen other shotguns that are presented in Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns listed for sale with prices between $2k-$3k. I'm pleased to say that I purchased this one for a fraction of those prices. I suspect (but cannot be sure) that the owner was unaware that this was a confirmed Confederate used shotgun. Regardless I am very pleased to have it as part of my meager collection.
Very nice looking shotgun and provenance. Congrats!
 
I'm assuming the platinum blow-outs are the gold-colored disks on each the side of the breach? I'm also assuming they are there in case of an overcharge/over-pressure load in the barrels? The plugs would blow out instead of the barrel bursting. I don't think I've ever seen that in an older gun. Interesting.
Just like engine freeze plugs.
Wonder why no forearm. Would not have added much weight and made it easier to get in and out of a sheath
Were shotguns commonly held in sheaths? I would expect a sling for over the shoulder or even a ring and slide or just a ring for carbine sling usage. Im not an expert on Confederate shotguns though.
 
Happy to report that I'm the new owner of a genuine Confederate used shotgun. I knew I wanted a CW shotgun and all the better if it was Confederate. I purchased the book, read it, and when I came across this one for sale I was able to recognize it for what it is and bought it.

I have seen other shotguns that are presented in Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns listed for sale with prices between $2k-$3k. I'm pleased to say that I purchased this one for a fraction of those prices. I suspect (but cannot be sure) that the owner was unaware that this was a confirmed Confederate used shotgun. Regardless I am very pleased to have it as part of my meager collection.

It's pleasing to learn that someone who appreciates the artifact was able to rescue it.

I wonder what it's path was, from being photographed for the book to winding up in the hands of the ignorant.
 
Happy to report that I'm the new owner of a genuine Confederate used shotgun. How do I know it was Confederate? This shotgun is featured in the book Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns by Russ A. Pritchard and John W. Ashworth. (on pages 134 & 135)

This shotgun was made in Birmingham, England and shows the commercial proof marks on the bottom of both barrels. The Birmingham View mark (crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the V in the lower quadrant) is stamped on both breech plugs. The same mark is repeated on both barrels. The number 12 (the bore or gauge size) is stamped on both barrels. The final proof of the Birmingham Proof House (crossed scepters with a crown in the top quadrant and the letters BPC in the other three quadrants) is stamped on both barrels.

The shotgun has been altered for mounted use. As discussed in the book, "Examples of shotguns modified for mounted use (that were) examined indicate barrels were not shortened to a uniform length but usually between 18 to 24 inches… No Ordinance Department instructions or related documents have been found that enumerate the modifications to those shotguns intended for mounted use. Several documents have been located that unquestionably prove that shotguns were "cut off" for use by mounted troops." Also, "Actual examples of such shotguns are quite rare. This rarity suggests only a limited number were altered and there was a very low survival rate. It is probable that many were discarded in postwar years because with shortened barrels they were useless for hunting."

This example was imported by Alexander McComas of Baltimore Maryland. Information on Mr. McComas and his business are presented from the book in pictures below.

As described in the book, "The shotgun is 39 inches overall with 23.5 inch, 12 bore shortened barrels. The barrels have platinum blowouts. There is an undecipherable single line engraving on the top barrel rib. There is no front site. The bottom of the barrels are stamped with standard Birmingham proofs and are numbered "2166" on each barrel."

As has been advised here by many, buy the books & research first. I knew I wanted a CW shotgun and all the better if it was Confederate. I purchased the book, read it, and when I came across this one for sale I was able to recognize it for what it is and bought it.

I have seen other shotguns that are presented in Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns listed for sale with prices between $2k-$3k. I'm pleased to say that I purchased this one for a fraction of those prices. I suspect (but cannot be sure) that the owner was unaware that this was a confirmed Confederate used shotgun. Regardless I am very pleased to have it as part of my meager collection.

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Very impressive piece. Glad you got a good deal on it. John42768 had brought up the us if a sheath to carry a shotgun in. Does yer book say anything about modes of carriage for those bad boys? Losing the ramrod seems too easy. I have an Indian knock-off of a short 12 gauge similar to yours. The ramrod fits snugly between the barrels along the rib with guides soldered to the rib. It seems to hold fairly well but on horseback and hard riding I'm sure it would fall out. I have a ring and slide to attach or just a ring for the bottom of the pistol grip of the stock. I plan on using a carbine sling to carry it.
It must shorely be nice to have that original piece. Fairly rare and a great conversation starter.
Cheers!
 
It's pleasing to learn that someone who appreciates the artifact was able to rescue it.

I wonder what it's path was, from being photographed for the book to winding up in the hands of the ignorant.
It was stated to be a "Civil War era shotgun" but that was all. I'm happy that my reading and researching paid off in this case.
 
Based on photos we have, a lot of Confederate shotguns were left long. These shortened versions were no doubt more handy on horseback. And they just have a cool factor. They seem to have utilized both buckshot loads and buck and ball loads. The men seemed to have traded them for rifles as soon as they got the chance but some no doubt stayed in the ranks well into the war.
 
It's pleasing to learn that someone who appreciates the artifact was able to rescue it.

I wonder what it's path was, from being photographed for the book to winding up in the hands of the ignorant.
Your post aroused my curiosity on it's "path" so I contacted the seller. The shotgun was in the collection of Mr. John W. Ashworth, one of the authors of the book Confederate & Southern Agent Marked Shotguns. As stated in the book, Mr. Ashworth passed away shortly after the books was completed. Apparently his widow consigned his collection for sale. The seller admitted that they did not realize this shotgun was subject matter in the book and confirmed that had they known the price would have been much higher.
 

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