Cattle Question

[Belfoured]

Well… oh lord… chicha. Every woman had her own recipe & bio-profile. She chewed & spit the corn mash into the fermenting jar. As God is my witness, a common flavoring agent was kerosene (!).

The custom was to quaff the first bowl offered. "Upiashun!" (Bottoms up!) "Mishki-mishki!" (Good-good…) "Upishun!" & quaff a second bowl. Smile while millions of intestinal bugs start to multiply by millions… let the burbling & gurgling begin!

Full disclosure - one taste and I decided "not happening". And I did not even know at the time about the "unique" fermentation process.

 

[Rhea Cole]

Full disclosure - one taste and I decided "not happening". And I did not even know at the time about the "unique" fermentation process.

It smells & tastes exactly like rotten silage in a silo. In the jungle, they make chicha using fibrous roots. You have to filter it with your teeth & spit after each drink. They were practicing headhunters… erring on the side of politeness was a good policy. Witch killings were almost all done by women using poison in food. White people have no souls, so no shrunken head anxieties.

 

[shooter too]

Didn't they grow apple trees in the south?

Most of the harvest was turned into apple-jack.

 

[rosefiend]

angus did not arrive until post-war.

Today, seems angus/ angus mix might be most popular. Hereford are not seen in as large of numbers as they were in the 1970s (at least around here). And I have no idea that I have ever even seen a shorthorn.

The Aberdeen-Angus breed existed in Scotland for some time, but only showed up in America in 1873, when George Grant brought four Angus bulls over to Kansas, and then it all went south from there.
Source: I worked for the American Angus Association for 16 years lol
I can't speak to the types of cattle but the newspapers of the time talk a little bit about the different breeds:
Devon ox -- a draft animal
Ayrshire, Alderney (Jersey), Yorkshire, Leicestershire, Kerry, Cream Pot, Durham -- milk cows
Spanish cattle (mentioned in this thread earlier) -- good for milk and beef
Hereford -- beef and milk
Shorthorns -- beef and milk
Well we'll just attach a helpful newspaper article from
The Burlington Weekly Sentinel
Burlington, Vermont • Fri, Oct 3, 1862

 

[Sheltowee]

The Aberdeen-Angus breed existed in Scotland for some time, but only showed up in America in 1873, when George Grant brought four Angus bulls over to Kansas, and then it all went south from there.
Source: I worked for the American Angus Association for 16 years lol
I can't speak to the types of cattle but the newspapers of the time talk a little bit about the different breeds:
Devon ox -- a draft animal
Ayrshire, Alderney (Jersey), Yorkshire, Leicestershire, Kerry, Cream Pot, Durham -- milk cows
Spanish cattle (mentioned in this thread earlier) -- good for milk and beef
Hereford -- beef and milk
Shorthorns -- beef and milk
Well we'll just attach a helpful newspaper article from
The Burlington Weekly Sentinel
Burlington, Vermont • Fri, Oct 3, 1862


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Thanks for providing!

 

[Rhea Cole]

The Aberdeen-Angus breed existed in Scotland for some time, but only showed up in America in 1873, when George Grant brought four Angus bulls over to Kansas, and then it all went south from there.
Source: I worked for the American Angus Association for 16 years lol
I can't speak to the types of cattle but the newspapers of the time talk a little bit about the different breeds:
Devon ox -- a draft animal
Ayrshire, Alderney (Jersey), Yorkshire, Leicestershire, Kerry, Cream Pot, Durham -- milk cows
Spanish cattle (mentioned in this thread earlier) -- good for milk and beef
Hereford -- beef and milk
Shorthorns -- beef and milk
Well we'll just attach a helpful newspaper article from
The Burlington Weekly Sentinel
Burlington, Vermont • Fri, Oct 3, 1862


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There are herds of banded Galloway here in Middle Tennessee. They certainly get your attention in a field.

 

[Rhea Cole]

Rosefiend has raised an another aspect of cattle raising that we don't see outside of historic farms. At the 'Homeplace 1850's Working Farm & Living History Museum.' in The Land Between the Lakes, KY /TN, they work a span of oxen. The motive power for all manner of heavy hauling was done with oxen into the 20th Century.

Bull teams pulled Longstreet's artillery to Knoxville in 1863. After the Civil War, my 1840's house was skidded to the Oakland Plantation's former carriage lane by oxen.

In South America, using a cow to pull a scratch plow was ubiquitous when I was there. On several occasions I made a few wobbly furrows myself. As was true on the US frontier, absent four legged motive power, a stout wife filled in.

In that culture, women are considered much stronger than men. As a highly amused cluster of 'mammacuna' (matrons) told me, "Work like that would kill a man!"

Online 'Peace Corps Manuals, Animal Traction.' Is a real world how to guide for handling oxen. It also covers hitching yaks, & camels. There is nothing theoretical, Peace Corps manuals are hands on stuff.

Department of Education 'Animal Traction.' Is another highly detailed guide to the practicalities.

Maybe someone on this thread has knowledge about ox breeds to share? If so, please educate me.

 

[Rhea Cole]

Rosefiend has raised an another aspect of cattle raising that we don't see outside of historic farms. At the 'Homeplace 1850's Working Farm & Living History Museum.' in The Land Between the Lakes, KY /TN, they work a span of oxen. The motive power for all manner of heavy hauling was done with oxen into the 20th Century.

Bull teams pulled Longstreet's artillery to Knoxville in 1863. After the Civil War, my 1840's house was skidded to the Oakland Plantation's former carriage lane by oxen.

In South America, using a cow to pull a scratch plow was ubiquitous when I was there. On several occasions I made a few wobbly furrows myself. As was true on the US frontier, absent four legged motive power, a stout wife filled in.

In that culture, women are considered much stronger than men. As a highly amused cluster of 'mammacuna' (matrons) told me, "Work like that would kill a man!"

Online 'Peace Corps Manuals, Animal Traction.' Is a real world how to guide for handling oxen. It also covers hitching yaks, & camels. There is nothing theoretical, Peace Corps manuals are hands on stuff.

Department of Education 'Animal Traction.' Is another highly detailed guide to the practicalities.

Maybe someone on this thread has knowledge about ox breeds to share? If so, please educate me.

Found an answer to my own question in an NPS publication.

"The Milking Red Durham, now known as the shorthorn, made the best all-round ox team."

Because oxen do not sweat, they are air cooled. As a result, keeping them from overheating was a very important part of working with oxen.

 

[shooter too]

Hereford -- beef and milk

 

[Pollaco]

Didn't they call them "Milch cows" back then. I remember seeing that term on my great great great grandfather's census.

 

[Rhea Cole]

Didn't they call them "Milch cows" back then. I remember seeing that term on my great great great grandfsther's census.

I recently saw that term in a soldier's diary that was found in an attic. Long ago, I illustrated a pamphlet on foraging. There is a "milch cow sunflower" with an edible root. (I had to look it up to see if I remembered that right.)

 

[Josh The Lighthouse Guy]

Didn't they call them "Milch cows" back then. I remember seeing that term on my great great great grandfsther's census.

Huh. I thought that was just a European thing

 

[Nathanb1]

Just pointing out that mutton was a meat product which was much more common across parts of the south than we'd think—a lot of wool was produced. And goat was a much-utilized meat along the Texas-Mexico border. I alway picture Santos Benavides and his men chowing down on some young cabrito.

Now I'm hungry. Darn.

 

[Nathanb1]

Just pointing out that mutton was a meat product which was much more common across parts of the south than we'd think—a lot of wool was produced. And goat was a much-utilized meat along the Texas-Mexico border. I always picture Santos Benavides and his men chowing down on some young cabrito.

Now I'm hungry. Darn.

 

[Library Lady]

Huh. I thought that was just a European thing

When I see "milch cow", this is what I think of: https://www.amazon.com/dp/184884008X/?tag=civilwartalkc-20 . Undoubtedly, that is the result of a misspent youth in Mr. Dewey's 940.54 (World War II) neighborhood at the library.

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

@Nathanb1
I'm glad to see that you're back !

 

[Pollaco]

Rowdy Yates (Clint Eastwood) on Rawhide once made reference to a Milch cow.

 

[Kurtlg]

When I see "milch cow", this is what I think of: https://www.amazon.com/dp/184884008X/?tag=civilwartalkc-20 . Undoubtedly, that is the result of a misspent youth in Mr. Dewey's 940.54 (World War II) neighborhood at the library.

I thought of that too !

 

[Josh The Lighthouse Guy]

I thought of that too !

Me three. I have read far more about submarines than livestock.

 

[R. Porter]

Growing up, my best friend's claim to fame was that Clint Eastwood changed his diaper once.

I had forgotten about the German submarine, but I've seen milch elsewhere: