Can anyone identify this gun?

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The gun is identified on a pair of stereoview cards as the Swamp Angel, but I think we can all agree that is no 8-inch Parrott.
Can anybody help me identify this gun? The photo SAYS its taken at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, so I'm going to start with "It
's a navy gun." Any help or hints are greatly appreciated.
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The gun is identified on a pair of stereoview cards as the Swamp Angel, but I think we can all agree that is no 8-inch Parrott.
Can anybody help me identify this gun? The photo SAYS its taken at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, so I'm going to start with "It
's a navy gun." Any help or hints are greatly appreciated.View attachment 571793View attachment 571794
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!5" Dahlgren smooth bore, unless I'm imagining it, looks to be damaged.
 
PARROTT RIFLE ARTILLERY

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The 100 pound / 8" Parrott Rifle has a very distinctive profile. In what is often referred to as a 'pig in a blanket' a reenforcing collar of wrought iron was slipped over the breech & forged into place. The cooled wrought iron collar gripped the brittle cast iron breech at a molecular level.

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When young lieutenant Robert E. Lee supervised the construction of Fort Pulaski at the mouth of the Savannah River it was effectively indestructible.

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From miles away, Parrott Rifles reduced a corner of the fort to rubble, forcing its surrender.

At that point, every masonry fort in the world was obsolete. Read more here.

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Robert Parrott & his namesake cannon. Read more here.

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COLUMBIAD SHAPED CANNON CAST WITH THE RODMAN PROCESS

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This preposterous 20" Rodman was cast in 1863. At its side, the little popgun looking thing in the center is an 8" Rodman / Columbiad shaped cannon. Two of the colossal 20" were cast, but never deployed. See the caption for details.

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Many Monitors were armed with 13" & 15" Rodmans.

Read about the Rodman process here.

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CivilWarTalk thread about the history & types of Columbiad cannon. Read more here.

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8" SIEGE HOWITZER

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Obsolete 8" siege howitzers were mounted in Fortress Rosecrans in Murfreesboro TN. An 1840's design, the sewer pipe profile is in stark contrast to the elegant swell of the Rodman / Columbiads.

"Columbiad" refers to the "perfume bottle" shape of the cannon.

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3" ordinance rifles share the swelling breech of the Columbiad design. They were also commonly referred to as 'Rodmans' during the Civil war.

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The Ames Model 2 bronze rifles followed the elegant profile of the 3" Rodman.

Read about the Rodman method here.

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Note: Save this post & next time you can be a smarty pants know it all.
 
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links to the swamp angel---it exploded!

The picture that starts this thread is not swamp angel--sorry!
 
links to the swamp angel---it exploded!

The picture that starts this thread is not swamp angel--sorry!

Thanks for posting this. I had it in my source line up & didn't drop it in place. I will have to speak sharply to my research assistant, proofreader & revue committee… me, myself & I.
 
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Thanks for posting this. I had it in my source line up & didn't drop it in place. I will have to speak sharply to my research assistant, proofreader & revue committee… me, myself & I.
You may know the answer to this. One the thread about 2 banded Brooke guns from the CSS Atlanta, some photos showed guns in battery aboard the CSS Neuse with a dummy next to it wearing an Artillery red trimmed uniform. Did the Navy ships employ Artillery gunners on their pieces? I thought that it would be Navy personell.
 
The gun is identified on a pair of stereoview cards as the Swamp Angel, but I think we can all agree that is no 8-inch Parrott.
Can anybody help me identify this gun? The photo SAYS its taken at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, so I'm going to start with "It
's a navy gun." Any help or hints are greatly appreciated.View attachment 571793View attachment 571794
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The gun is identified on a pair of stereoview cards as the Swamp Angel, but I think we can all agree that is no 8-inch Parrott.
Can anybody help me identify this gun? The photo SAYS its taken at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, so I'm going to start with "It
's a navy gun." Any help or hints are greatly appreciated.View attachment 571793View attachment 571794
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Here's a Haas & Peale photo of "The 'Marsh Battery' or 'Swamp Angel' after the explosion, August 22, 1863."

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Library of Congress LC-B8156- 35 [P&P]

Miles Hai
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You may know the answer to this. One the thread about 2 banded Brooke guns from the CSS Atlanta, some photos showed guns in battery aboard the CSS Neuse with a dummy next to it wearing an Artillery red trimmed uniform. Did the Navy ships employ Artillery gunners on their pieces? I thought that it would be Navy personell.

There wasn't really a CSA navy personnel cohort. There were a number of officers, but the sailing master & his mates, gunner & mates, sailmaker & mates that made it possible to keep a ship at sea were all in very short supply.

The famous raiders that suck up all the bandwidth were manned with English crews.

The point being, a trained gunner volunteer from whatever source was welcomed… or drunked up & hauled aboard limp as a… something vividly nautical.
 
There wasn't really a CSA navy personnel cohort. There were a number of officers, but the sailing master & his mates, gunner & mates, sailmaker & mates that made it possible to keep a ship at sea were all in very short supply.

The famous raiders that suck up all the bandwidth were manned with English crews.

The point being, a trained gunner volunteer from whatever source was welcomed… or drunked up & hauled aboard limp as a… something vividly nautical.
"If it fits it ships"
 
The original photos are of a 15-Inch Dahlgren. I wonder if the photo shows one of the guns which was sold to Peru.

My website has all of my posts sortable by type, if that helps:
https://www.santee1821.net/categories
Thank you for the information and the link. Thewre really is no excuse for the original photgrapher to have labeled this gun as the Swamp Angel. I had never seen this type of gun before and it looked like a shortened tube. Could it be cut off or as someone else pointed out, a shorter naval gun? I'm working on a project about items misidentified as the Swamp angel, so anything would be greatly appreciated.
 
Me Mr. Smarty Pants was going to be absolutely sure it was a 32 pounder carronade…but it has no cascabel knob, so I was wrong, wrong, wrong…
 

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