Biggest Confederate Error

[Jimklag]

Yep. Check the official material . Korean Conflict, Vietnam Era,. We do have something called "the Gulf War", but an exact enemy is not defined, nor is there a defined period.

If you go to Washington DC, there is no memorial to the Vietnam era conflict or the Korean conflict. Those memorials are to the Vietnam War and the Korean War. Full stop.

 

[cash]

Yep. Check the official material . Korean Conflict, Vietnam Era,. We do have something called "the Gulf War", but an exact enemy is not defined, nor is there a defined period.

I've checked the "official material." "Vietnam Era" means during the Vietnam War. "Korean Conflict" and "Korean War" are sometimes interchangeable, but it is officially the Korean War.

Here's what the Department of Defense says:

https://dod.defense.gov/News/Articl...ers-lost-in-korean-war-from-returned-remains/

http://archive.defense.gov/home/features/2010/0610_koreanwar/

https://dod.defense.gov/News/Articl...commemorates-50th-anniversary-of-vietnam-war/

 

[cash]

We do have something called "the Gulf War", but an exact enemy is not defined, nor is there a defined period.

Incorrect.

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002606447

 

[Robin Lesjovitch]

If you go to Washington DC, there is no memorial to the Vietnam era conflict or the Korean conflict. Those memorials are to the Vietnam War and the Korean War. Full stop.

Check the V A

 

[cash]

Check the V A

Check the DoD.

 

[wausaubob]

England and Europe were overstocked with cotton by the end of 1862. https://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/14956/RickyDaleCalhoun2012.pdf?sequence=1 pp. 61-62. The 1860 cotton crop was shipped normally. In 1861-62 the cotton growers held their cotton weighting for a better price. It was really the British and the Americans that anticipated a medium term interruption in the supply of cotton, and worked extremely hard on diversifying supply.
Therefore, what seemed to an error, was only an error in retrospect, when the long war and rapidly improving blockade developed.
The truth is that by the time the 1861 crop could have been shipped, the US was already closing in on the cotton ports which were Charleston, Savannah, Mobile and New Orleans.
Some cotton always got out. The problem was that shipping and taxation cost of the transfer rose steadily.

 

[cash]

Check the V A

The VA says there was a Korean War.

https://www.benefits.va.gov/persona/veteran-korea.asp

The VA says there was a Vietnam War.

https://www.benefits.va.gov/persona/veteran-vietnam.asp

 

[thomas aagaard]

many ways to define a war and a country can have a number in use at the same time.

 

[Robin Lesjovitch]

https://www.benefits.va.gov/pension/wartimeperiod.asp

I have no issue with the terms "Korean War" or "Vietnam War", I use them informally.
But the issue that brought about this discussion was whether Jeff Davis was really subject to being opposed in election.
I have no more on this in this thread. Whatever anybody else cares to write will be fine with me.
I would not want to be referred to as a "strict constructionist" , however I think some definitions should be preserved.

 

[wausaubob]

If more cotton had been shipped to England and France, and held there, the Confederacy would have had an asset to convert to money.
But the English and French cotton merchants would have purchased the cotton and brokered it, at a profit, back to the US.
That would have made the English unconcerned about the Confederacy, and there would have been less dislocation in New England.
The US than makes tariff income on either imported raw cotton, or imported English textiles.
However, the Confederacy is still importing most of its war material.
And by May of 1862, it is using secondary ports. Its still not able to get much railroad equipment or rolled iron into any port and by March of 1863 the US is still blockading the inbound blockade runners.
The truth is that the US did not want to cut off the out flow of cotton, and some specie flowed into the Confederacy regardless of the blockade.
What the US could prevent was salt, coal, rolled iron, and pork from entering the Confederacy.
The credit terms and prices demanded by the blockade runners would have emptied the Confederacy of gold, it just might have taken longer.
And if the war had taken longer the US develops some other cotton policy, and perhaps permanently alters the source of its domestic cotton.

 

[wausaubob]

The Confederacy had plenty of money in 1861 and 1862. It lost the entire west, the Mississippi River below Memphis, New Orleans, the border areas, and numerous coastal enclaves well before it ran out of money.

 

[John S. Carter]

The biggest Confederate error was secession.

If the South would had invested in industrial development prior to the war and if these companies would have form a partnership with Northern merchants and banks,instead of going into debt with cotton and making that one crop their sole investment then they would have a more political strength in Congress and possible against the secessionist .It would take another one hundred years for the South to challenge the North on this front,and the only reason was that the industrial North moved South was that we had cheaper labor and no unions.There would have been no succession if there had been men who would have gone North and sought investments from bankers and investors to start this movement .Suggest this book "The Empire of Cotton- A Global History'' Sven Beckert, You no not have to read the whole beginning ,rather boring,Start with the Industrial Revolution in England and the development of "capital warfare" .The cotton production machinery is a interesting story as to the spread of the need for cotton esp in relation to the development of the plantation and slavery in the South.England merchants contributed a vast investment both political and finance into the South .Could they have been one of the conspirators in the South remaining so dependent on cotton ,both financial and then even with the spread of the system for more land for more cotton for English cloth?