Bayonet ID?

[Toast5]

Hello,

I have come across this bayonet recently. It has the same style as the French 1842 bayonet but has no French markings. I was told it might be a Belgian export, and I have seen very similar ones posted online described as Civil War bayonets. Any information on it would be greatly appreciated, as I have had little luck in finding any.

Best regards,

 

[tankredi]

Pdl was a German maker.
Peter Daniel Lüneschloss from Solingen.

Also French m.1866 bayonets have been found with the same marking.
Word is that they were made for export but the destination countries are still unknown.

 

[Toast5]

Pdl was a German maker.
Peter Daniel Lüneschloss from Solingen.

Also French m.1866 bayonets have been found with the same marking.
Word is that they were made for export but the destination countries are still unknown.

Thank you for your reply! I wonder if the "FD" mark on the pommel has significant meaning. I was trying to find out if it was some kind of inspection mark that might help me figure out which country it went to, but to no avail. It does remind me of some of the Civil War inspection marks (being two or three letters long) though.

Best regards,

 

[UCVRelics]

Its a French model 1842. Several countries copied this model.

 

[Toast5]

Its a French model 1842. Several countries copied this model.

ucvrelics,

Hello. Thank you for letting me know. Do you just mean it fits the French 1842 rifle or that it was also probably imported by France and just lacks their regular markings?

Best regards,

 

[Mikebiker]

Man At Arms Magazine ran an article showing that some of these had been imported to fit the Dahlgren / Plymouth rifle in 69 caliber. They are said to have a number in the slot where it slides on. I have one that could be one of those as the hole for the barrel is extremely large and it does have a number. Bayonet designers seem to copy one another and one a style gains headway many other similar models will follow. With the good markings this has it can be narrowed quite nicely I imagine.

 

[Toast5]

Man At Arms Magazine ran an article showing that some of these had been imported to fit the Dahlgren / Plymouth rifle in 69 caliber. They are said to have a number in the slot where it slides on. I have one that could be one of those as the hole for the barrel is extremely large and it does have a number. Bayonet designers seem to copy one another and one a style gains headway many other similar models will follow. With the good markings this has it can be narrowed quite nicely I imagine.

Hello, and thank you for your reply. I tried to search it online, but all it would bring up is the Dahlgren bowie bayonet and the other yataghan bayonet with the brass crossguard and finial facing the reverse way than my example is. I couldn't find any with a steel crossguard (yet).

Best regards,

 

[Mikebiker]

My bayonet has an iron cross guard facing the same way as yours. The hole for the barrel measures .920 inches. From what I see your bayonet may have been dissassembled at one time so the crossguard may have been reveresed. The peen on the butt is redone and the pin looks like it may have been out. Mine are perfectly flush. The shape is the exactsame but most of these are. Mine is marked only SK which is another well known mark on bayonets.

 

[Toast5]

My bayonet has an iron cross guard facing the same way as yours. The hole for the barrel measures .920 inches. From what I see your bayonet may have been dissassembled at one time so the crossguard may have been reveresed. The peen on the butt is redone and the pin looks like it may have been out. Mine are perfectly flush. The shape is the exactsame but most of these are. Mine is marked only SK which is another well known mark on bayonets.

That's very interesting. Does it have similar proof markings as well. Also, just out of curiosity, have you fit it onto one of the aforementioned rifles? Since the last post, I have managed to find one of these listed as a "Colt Revolving Rifle Bayonet", but that doesn't seem correct to my understanding thus far.

 

[Toast5]

Also, here is the slot. I should have added it in the first place, but only just now noticed. Oh well. Also sorry for horrible phone quality. It doesn't really focus on what I want it to.

 

[Mikebiker]

I have never tried it on a rifle since I do not have a Plymouth to use. Mine is only marked SK The slot you picture on my bayonet has a number stamped in it which according to the article the Plymouth bayonets did. Most of these bayonets that turn up fit later French cartridge rifles. Measure the barrel opening on yours. Mine is .920 which is just a little shy of 1 inch. I imagine your bayonet was intended for a European gun but may have found it's way over during the CW along with various other Europen rifles and muskets.

 

[Toast5]

I have never tried it on a rifle since I do not have a Plymouth to use. Mine is only marked SK The slot you picture on my bayonet has a number stamped in it which according to the article the Plymouth bayonets did. Most of these bayonets that turn up fit later French cartridge rifles. Measure the barrel opening on yours. Mine is .920 which is just a little shy of 1 inch. I imagine your bayonet was intended for a European gun but may have found it's way over during the CW along with various other Europen rifles and muskets.

I have measured the MRD on mine. It is about an inch as well, coming in at just around 2.5cm give or take.