Barlow on Day 1

I do know that after the battle, Barlow said that he had been ordered to take up a position on Blucher's Knob (later Barlow Hill). If so, who ordered him to do so? It wasn't Howard because the orders he gave Schurz were general, not specific, as he was not one to micromanage his division commanders. He left the specifics to Schurz. I think that Schurz chose the position because at the time taking the high ground on the right of his line made sense. I also know that when the First Division of the Eleventh Corps arrived on the field at 1:00, Howard rode with Barlow to his assigned position. Ensuing events (some of which are mentioned in other posts) made the position untenable. True to form, Schurz, who never took responsibility when something went wrong under his command, claimed in his official report that he had not sent Barlow there. In any event, he paid no attention to the right of his line after he positioned his line. Without more evidence, all of this must remain conjecture, and I'm afraid that the questions posed in the OP may never be answered satisfactorily.
 
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I suppose it could be said that Barlow interpreted his orders loosely. According to Schurz (official report), he ordered Barlow to "form on the right of the Third Division," then Schurz rode to the left, presumably to find out what was happening between O'Neal and Baxter. When he returned, he discovered Barlow's division well advanced (likely at or near the Almshouse by then) and no longer connected with the Third Division, but Barlow had indeed formed "on the right of the Third Division." With no significant high ground around the Almshouse, I am not aware that Schurz had any input in Barlow's decision to proceed out to the knoll. I've never heard that Howard accompanied Barlow north of the town and, if so, would appreciate knowing that source. As noted, Schurz apparently never ventured out to inspect the right of his line; in fact, he evidently endorsed Barlow's move by not recalling him and then advancing Krzy.'s brigade to partially bridge the gap in his lines. My sense is that Howard was mentally prepared to replace Reynolds as a wing commander, but Schurz was completely unprepared to assume the duties of a corps commander.
 
Devin writes in his official report that "one of our own batteries on Cemetery Hill" opened a heavy fire upon his command and compelled him to retire, then that same battery "turned its attention to my pickets on the road, and shelled them out" too. That battery would have to be Wiedrich's Battery I, 1st New York, ironically from the Eleventh Corps. There's no mention from Devin of ever having communicated/coordinated his activities (or withdrawal) with Barlow.

Meanwhile, after reading Confederate sources from Early's division my impression is they believed they had achieved the element of surprise. Of course, once the batteries of Hilary P. Jones opened up, there should have been no doubt among the Federals of a major enemy force approaching from that same direction, but by then it was only a short time before Gordon advanced.
Coming to the "defense" of Battery I and its CO, that battery was ordered "into the breach" at Chinn Ridge on August 30, 1862 and met Longstreet's devastating assault on the Union left. They had to do so at 2/3 strength, however. Illustrating the tactical decisions that came up for mixed batteries, they were ordered to bring only their four rifles and had to leave their two M1841 12 lb howitzers behind because of the range at which they would have to fight.
 
I've never heard that Howard accompanied Barlow north of the town and, if so, would appreciate knowing that source.

First volume of Howard's autobiography, p. 414. I believe he says that in other writings, as well, but I'd have to check to make sure.
 
I've never heard that Howard accompanied Barlow north of the town and, if so, would appreciate knowing that source.

First volume of Howard's autobiography, p. 414. I believe he says that in other writings, as well, but I'd have to check to make sure.
Excellent! Good work and my apologies, for I had completely overlooked that comment and will have some revisions to make. In that case, to answer your previous question about who ordered Barlow to the knoll, since Howard commanded all Union forces at Gettysburg at that moment, it must have been Howard, who at the very least we can infer gave his tacit approval of that move, even if Barlow had been the one to suggest it. It also means the acting Eleventh Corps commander, Schurz, was completely cut out of the loop (and off the hook) for that fateful decision. It's also curious, since I figure there was a delay of perhaps half an hour between the time Barlow's men first arrived near the Alms House and when they actually took possession of the knoll, which in the meantime was occupied by a portion of Doles' sharpshooter battalion (skirmishers). Howard adds that he left Barlow to complete his deployment around the knoll before riding off to the First Corps, passing in rear of Robinson's Second Division on Oak Ridge to meet with Wadsworth and then Doubleday.

By the way, it also means Howard left Cemetery Hill around 12:45 p.m. to accompany Barlow's division (by my calculation).
 
Since Howard commanded all Union forces at Gettysburg at that moment, it must have been Howard, who at the very least we can infer gave his tacit approval of that move, even if Barlow had been the one to suggest it.

I tend to agree, as Howard would not have approved the move to that position if he considered it a poor one. (Schurz wouldn't have known the difference.) I keep thinking about an article Chuck Teague once wrote about the First Day of Gettysburg. In it, he suggested that at the time the first dispositions of the Eleventh Corps were made, they made sense, and that only subsequent events made them untenable. I had a copy of his article in my files for years, but now it seems to have disappeared. Have any of you folks read it? If so, what do you think?

I figure there was a delay of perhaps half an hour between the time Barlow's men first arrived near the Alms House and when they actually took possession of the knoll.

I once read that Barlow gave his men a fifteen-minute rest at the Almshouse before moving to the knoll. His deployments there seem to have been completed by 2:00.
 
I once read that Barlow gave his men a fifteen-minute rest
I find that hard to believe seeing he had a Regimental Commander arrested for allowing his men to fill their canteens with water at a stream along the hot march to Gettysburg!
 
I find that hard to believe seeing he had a Regimental Commander arrested for allowing his men to fill their canteens with water at a stream along the hot march to Gettysburg!
Strict orders forbidding enlisted men or officers to stop along the march route for water were enforced by many Union commanders, even if just trying to partially fill a canteen, or reaching down to grab a gulp while walking through a stream or brook, or accepting a cup offered by a town resident. Von Gilsa's men were allowed a very brief halt adjacent to the Alms House facility which included time to store their knapsacks in one of the buildings, perhaps that large red barn.
 
Strict orders forbidding enlisted men or officers to stop along the march route for water were enforced by many Union commanders, even if just trying to partially fill a canteen, or reaching down to grab a gulp while walking through a stream or brook, or accepting a cup offered by a town resident. Von Gilsa's men were allowed a very brief halt adjacent to the Alms House facility which included time to store their knapsacks in one of the buildings, perhaps that large red barn.
Guess they were not very smart back then. Would your rather arrive 10 to 15 minutes late or have 1/4 or 1/3 or 1/2 your Regiment fall out due to heat casualties? Heck when I reenacted we had our daily heat stroke guy! I got tired of babysitting him, let him drop!
 
Col. Edward Cross Brigade commander of the 1st Brigade 1st Division II Corps had the same problem with the 148th PA. He was very upset with Lt Col. Robert McFarlane for letting his men take off their shoes and get water crossing a stream on the march to Gettysburg. Cross on the eve of battle replaced McFarlane with Col Boyd McKeen of the 81st PA. During one stream crossing, Cross astride his horse in midstream, struck a soldier of the 148th across the back with the flat of his sword. The solder went sprawling into the water. Needless to say Cross was not very popular with the boys of the 148th.
 
Excellent! Good work and my apologies, for I had completely overlooked that comment and will have some revisions to make. In that case, to answer your previous question about who ordered Barlow to the knoll, since Howard commanded all Union forces at Gettysburg at that moment, it must have been Howard, who at the very least we can infer gave his tacit approval of that move, even if Barlow had been the one to suggest it. It also means the acting Eleventh Corps commander, Schurz, was completely cut out of the loop (and off the hook) for that fateful decision. It's also curious, since I figure there was a delay of perhaps half an hour between the time Barlow's men first arrived near the Alms House and when they actually took possession of the knoll, which in the meantime was occupied by a portion of Doles' sharpshooter battalion (skirmishers). Howard adds that he left Barlow to complete his deployment around the knoll before riding off to the First Corps, passing in rear of Robinson's Second Division on Oak Ridge to meet with Wadsworth and then Doubleday.

By the way, it also means Howard left Cemetery Hill around 12:45 p.m. to accompany Barlow's division (by my calculation).
I see two possibilities, neither showing Howard in a positive light. First, he accompanies Barlow and at least gives tacit approval for the movement to Blocher's Knoll. This is particularly damning since we know that he had received reports of Confederate troops coming down the Harrisburg Road. Putting Barlow's Division out in front of the rest of the corps, exposed on the hill, with their flank in the air is a tactical blunder of immense proportions, especially considering what had happened at Chancellorsville. And to cut Schurz out of the loop is inexcusable. If this is accurate, Howard should be rightfully excoriated for his actions on July 1.

The second is similar to the traditional view in that he went with Barlow to the point where Barlow briefly rested his men and then rode off before Barlow advanced to the knoll. Still not a great look if he failed to let Barlow know to watch his right but the onus for criticism should still fall primarily on Barlow.

Ryan
 
tend to agree, as Howard would not have approved the move to that position if he considered it a poor one. (Schurz wouldn't have known the difference.) I keep thinking about an article Chuck Teague once wrote about the First Day of Gettysburg. In it, he suggested that at the time the first dispositions of the Eleventh Corps were made, they made sense, and that only subsequent events made them untenable. I had a copy of his article in my files for years, but now it seems to have disappeared. Have any of you folks read it? If so, what do you think?
I don't recall reading this particular article myself. That said, I somewhat agree that the Eleventh Corps' posting made sense based on what their objectives were. Initially, they were to protect and extend the right flank of the First Corps and did a decent job of that. Even Barlow's advance to Blocher's Knoll makes sense if we understand that he was looking to hit Doles. The problem was that the plain north of Gettysburg provided little cover and few advantageous positions to anchor a defensive line. Blocher's Knoll had some potential if Barlow wasn't out there on his own with his flank just looking to get smacked.

Ryan
 
Strict orders forbidding enlisted men or officers to stop along the march route for water were enforced by many Union commanders, even if just trying to partially fill a canteen, or reaching down to grab a gulp while walking through a stream or brook, or accepting a cup offered by a town resident. Von Gilsa's men were allowed a very brief halt adjacent to the Alms House facility which included time to store their knapsacks in one of the buildings, perhaps that large red barn.
IIRC, von Gilsa got in trouble because the order only allowed 1 man per company to get water and von Gilsa allowed more men to fill their canteens at once. Barlow, already having it out for von Gilsa, had him arrested for it.

Ryan
 
My understanding now is Barlow advances to the knoll extending the XI Corps' line. This causes the line to be thinned in order to maintain contact. It appears Howard may have approved this though Barlow might have gone to far. The focus of Howard and the XI Corps is on Rodes esp. Doles. Howard and Barlow had some information about Ewell's advance. Did Barlow refuse his line at the knoll to cover the roads coming from Harrisburg? Did he depend on Devins to do this?
 
The man Barlow arrested for allowing his men to break ranks on the way to Gettysburg was, of course, Leopold von Gilsa. When Jackson had attacked Howard's position at Chancellorsville on May 2, the two regiments in Von Gilsa's brigade had fired three shots and then run, initiating a panic that made it impossible for the rest of the First Division to hold out for more than ten minutes. After the battle, Howard had put Barlow in command of the First Division and tasked him with establishing discipline, especially in Von Gilsa's brigade. Apologists for the German American soldiers have always depicted Barlow as a biased beast, but I think one could argue that he was just trying to what he had been ordered to do.
 
I see two possibilities, neither showing Howard in a positive light. First, he accompanies Barlow and at least gives tacit approval for the movement to Blocher's Knoll. This is particularly damning since we know that he had received reports of Confederate troops coming down the Harrisburg Road. Putting Barlow's Division out in front of the rest of the corps, exposed on the hill, with their flank in the air is a tactical blunder of immense proportions... especially considering what had happened at Chancellorsville. And to cut Schurz out of the loop is inexcusable. If this is accurate, Howard should be rightfully excoriated for his actions on July 1.
IMHO, Barlow's right flank was not in the air until after Devins left his position. I also think that after Howard left Barlow to examine Doubleday's position at about 2:00, Barlow had not yet moved out as far as he ultimately did, which is what Howard told a deceased artillery man after the battle; i.e. that "Barlow got too far out." As for Schurz, I think he cut himself out of the loop by not paying attention to the right of his line. All of which is to say that I think that your criticism of Howard is too harsh.
 
The man Barlow arrested for allowing his men to break ranks on the way to Gettysburg was, of course, Leopold von Gilsa. When Jackson had attacked Howard's position at Chancellorsville on May 2, the two regiments in Von Gilsa's brigade had fired three shots and then run, initiating a panic that made it impossible for the rest of the First Division to hold out for more than ten minutes. After the battle, Howard had put Barlow in command of the First Division and tasked him with establishing discipline, especially in Von Gilsa's brigade. Apologists for the German American soldiers have always depicted Barlow as a biased beast, but I think one could argue that he was just trying to what he had been ordered to do.
Two things can be true at the same time. IIRC (and I have to check), Barlow made some very biased and unsupportable comments about German troops in his private letters. At the same time, von Gilsa's troops may in fact have needed a strong disciplinary hand - although Howard, Devens, et al screwed up at Chancellorsville and ignored warnings from the front, due in part to their disdain for German troops. Barlow as a division commander was not exactly a paragon of military competence himself.
 
Howard, Devens, et al screwed up at Chancellorsville and ignored warnings from the front, due in part to their disdain for German troops.
A few days before the battle, Devens had been seriously wounded when his horse ran into a tree. On May 2, he was in such pain that he was in no condition to appreciate or respond to reports that his troops were in danger. The person who could have responded appropriately was McLean, who did nothing because he was miffed because Devens had replaced him. (After the battle, Howard had McLean transferred to Cincinnati.) Although many German Americans in the Eleventh Corps (mainly Schurz, and later historians partial to the German Americans) claimed that Howard ignored the warnings, he did not. He sent all the information he received to Hooker and, according to a letter he received from Theodore Dodge after the war, he had even requested permission to face a division, and possibly his entire corps, to the west, a request that Hooker either ignored or denied. That's when Howard gave Schurz permission to make a few changes in his line. Anyone who believes Howard was biased against German Americans simply doesn't know what kind of person he truly was.
 
A few days before the battle, Devens had been seriously wounded when his horse ran into a tree. On May 2, he was in such pain that he was in no condition to appreciate or respond to reports that his troops were in danger. The person who could have responded appropriately was McLean, who did nothing because he was miffed because Devens had replaced him. (After the battle, Howard had McLean transferred to Cincinnati.) Although many German Americans in the Eleventh Corps (mainly Schurz, and later historians partial to the German Americans) claimed that Howard ignored the warnings, he did not. He sent all the information he received to Hooker and, according to a letter he received from Theodore Dodge after the war, he had even requested permission to face a division, and possibly his entire corps, to the west, a request that Hooker either ignored or denied. That's when Howard gave Schurz permission to make a few changes in his line. Anyone who believes Howard was biased against German Americans simply doesn't know what kind of person he truly was.
I'll have what you're having. What on earth was Howard doing just forwarding information to Hooker? He was the corps commander on the scene, not some subaltern. Your excusal of Devens is bizarre. "he was in no condition to appreciate or respond to reports that his troops were in danger."????? That not only is inaccurate, but it makes no sense. You're claiming that his division was rudderless on May 2 (which it wasn't) and that a brigade commander was responsible for ordering the division to be properly aligned (which McLean had zero authority to do).
 

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