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While I'm not a big sword person, I have acquired a few as wall hangers or photo props--mostly cheap repro's. One such repro is an India-made 1860 cavalry saber that I picked up at Dixie gun works maybe 45 years ago for only $40. Still, it looked good at a distance and was fine as a photo prop.

Anyway, I got the bug to purchase one real ACW M1860 cavalry saber--nothing fancy--just a standard enlisted trooper's version. From checking around at the various ACW militaria sellers, I was suddenly facing sticker shock of more than a grand on anything but what otherwise could be described as a sword-shaped accumulation of rust. However, I found an auction on Proxibid quite some time back that was mostly general firearms but which also included about 10 or 12 individual swords--most ACW period I think. I bookmarked them all--intending to research each later. Then being the old forgetful fart that I am, I promptly forgot about it.

Some time later, I logged on to Proxibid only to see that the auction was in process. In a panic, I quickly signed into the auction just in time for the very last sword to come up on the block. It opened at $425 so I bid $450 intending to go up to maybe $600. Nobody rebid, and I won it for $450. The problem was that it wasn't an M1860, but an earlier M1840 heavy model. I think what may have confused me was that it had an M1860-style grip with a slight swell in the grip belly.

I realize that both were used during the ACW but the lighter M1860 was obviously the most dominant. In fact, it remained the official cavalry saber right up until the early 1900's I think.

Since the deal was done, I decided to wait until I had the blade in hand to research it. With premium and insured shipping, I was out about $550.

When the sword arrived, I thought at first it was a reproduction since the blade was so new and shiny. Of course, the brass guard was tarnished but otherwise scratch and dent-free. The only thing that gave away its age was the "dry as a bone" leather grip which had begun to flake off and/or turn to powder at the touch. I slathered it with several coats of Lexol which seemed to stabilize it from further decay.

The blade had never been sharpened and still had what appeared to be the original factory polish. There were no nicks on the edge. The maker's stamps on the ricasso appeared as fresh as the day they were stamped. The scabbard was also in almost pristine shape with just some light staining here and there. There were no inspector's stamps. It appeared to me that I had a sword that had never seen any use--probably never even issued. The maker was Emerson & Silver of Trenton, N. J. From what I understand, this sword maker only existed during the ACW but reportedly produced over 100,000 swords of all kinds for the Union army.

Here's just the sword and scabbard along with some shots of the stamping on the ricasso. it has all the size and design characteristics of an M1840 except for the later M1860 style grip shape and style of construction.
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stamps at the ricasso
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Notice the polished part of the blade transforming into a factory brushed surface about two inches short of the guard. This is something that will normally fade with any wear or use at all.

The sword arrived with the J.E.B. Stuart patent-style leather hanger attached. Although they were used during the war, this one looks to be a later Indian Wars issue, so someone just added it at some point. There is no arsenal mark on it.

I had a PDF copy of American Swords by Authur Wyllie which showed only 1000 M1840s made after 1860 by Ames and 638 more by Shifflin & Lewis but none by Emerson & Silver

Wikipedia (I know--not the best source) told me that the various sword makers quit making the M1840 in 1859-60, but a Google search for Emerson & Silver pointed me toward a sold listing that was still on the net from "The Horse Soldier" in Gettysburg. The listing was for a sword identical to mine and suddenly revealed a lot of missing info including the fact that the state of New Jersey ordered 2700 of these M1840 heavy sabers between 1863 and 1864 for their volunteer cavalry. It also showed the original listing price for sold example which was over 2 and a half times what I had paid. I intended to call them to find out how old that listing is but as of right now it's still on their website.

Link to sold saber: The Horse Soldier

All of this got me curious as to why any state would have ordered a large quantity of what was essentially an obsolete cavalry sword late in the war, so the next thing I did was do a Google search for New Jersey volunteer cavalry during the ACW. From what I could find online it turned out that New Jersey organized at least 3 volunteer cavalry regiments during the war and all of them trained at Fort Bayard which was coincidentally also located in Trenton, N.J. A full regiment usually consisted of 12 companies of 100 men each, so about 1200 men per regiment not including officers and support personnel. Still, no explanation as to why the heavy saber model was ordered when almost everybody else was using the light M1860. Then I hit a connection when I looked at the 3rd Volunteer cavalry regiment. Evidently, to encourage enlistment, some New Jersey official came up with the bright idea to give the 3rd volunteer cavalry extra fancy uniforms---sort of styled after Napoleonic Hussars. They were actually called the 3rd N. J. volunteer Hussars. I can only guess that since they were going to have the name and costume, it was decided that they needed the Hussar-style heavy saber.

Here are some studio shots of some of the 3rd New Jersey Hussars showing both their ornate uniforms and what appears to be their heavy sabers. Because of their fancy uniforms, they were named "the fighting butterflies". They also were issued red-lined capes and a unique jaunty cap to wear. The headgear was simply a brimless kepi turned 90% with an emblem on what was now the front.

The first soldier appears to be an officer due to the aiguillettes draped from his uniform---possibly only a lieutenant from what appears to be a single line of braid on his sleeves. His cape is hanging over the chair. The corporal after him is wearing his cape and evidently was a man of means--having privately purchased thigh-high boots. New Jersey is also on record as having purchased a quantity of Whitney revolvers, so I'm assuming that's what he is holding.
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The star on the chest appears to be another affectation of the 3rd regiment.
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Of course not knowing how tall or large any of these men are, it's difficult to say for sure whether the swords are M1840s or M1860


As mentioned I had not intended to add another facet to my collecting at this point but had previously posted all this found information on a gun board I belong to. It turned out that another member was a cavalry sword collector for all periods and not just the civil war. He provided me with some information out of his copy of the Thillman book dedicated to cavalry and artillery sabers. He indicated that it did not have a lot of information other than that the state of New Jersey sold about 2700 M1840s back to the Federal government which sort of contradicted the info disclosed in the listing at the Horse Soldier. He never explained this contradiction. I then started looking to acquire a copy of the Thillman book for myself but since it is out of print, I couldn't quite justify the $350 to $500 prices that people were asking for used copies on Amazon. I finally have a line on a copy of the mentioned book for only $200 locally---if I can just get the guy to call me back.

If anyone has the book and can tell me if it will help solve this riddle of why these swords exist feel free to comment or correct the info I have.

Cheers

P.S. I prefer the term collector because it sounds a lot nicer than "hoarder"

Thanks for reading if you made it this far without being totally bored

Cheers
 
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While I'm not a big sword person, I have acquired a few as wall hangers or photo props--mostly cheap repro's. One such repro is an India-made 1860 cavalry saber that I picked up at Dixie gun works maybe 45 years ago for only $40. Still, it looked good at a distance and was fine as a photo prop.

Anyway, I got the bug to purchase one real ACW M1860 cavalry saber--nothing fancy--just a standard enlisted trooper's version. From checking around at the various ACW militaria sellers, I was suddenly facing sticker shock of more than a grand on anything but what otherwise could be described as a sword-shaped accumulation of rust. However, I found an auction on Proxibid quite some time back that was mostly general firearms but which also included about 10 or 12 individual swords--most ACW period I think. I bookmarked them all--intending to research each later. Then being the old forgetful fart that I am, I promptly forgot about it.

Some time later, I logged on to Proxibid only to see that the auction was in process. In a panic, I quickly signed into the auction just in time for the very last sword to come up on the block. It opened at $425 so I bid $450 intending to go up to maybe $600. Nobody rebid, and I won it for $450. The problem was that it wasn't an M1860, but an earlier M1840 heavy model. I think what may have confused me was that it had an M1860-style grip with a slight swell in the grip belly.

I realize that both were used during the ACW but the lighter M1860 was obviously the most dominant. In fact, it remained the official cavalry saber right up until the early 1900's I think.

Since the deal was done, I decided to wait until I had the blade in hand to research it. With premium and insured shipping, I was out about $550.

When the sword arrived, I thought at first it was a reproduction since the blade was so new and shiny. Of course, the brass guard was tarnished but otherwise scratch and dent-free. The only thing that gave away its age was the "dry as a bone" leather grip which had begun to flake off and/or turn to powder at the touch. I slathered several coats of Lexol which seemed to stabilize it from further decay.

The blade had never been sharpened and still had what appeared to be the original factory polish. There were no nicks on the edge. The maker's stamps on the ricasso appeared as fresh as the day they were stamped. The scabbard was also in almost pristine shape with just some light staining here and there. There were no inspector's stamps. It appeared to me that I had a sword that had never seen any use--probably never even issued. The maker was Emerson & Silver of Trenton, N. J. From what I understand, this sword maker only existed during the ACW but reportedly produced over 100,000 swords of all kinds for the Union army.

Here's just the sword and scabbard along with some shots of the stamping on the ricasso. it has all the size and design characteristics of an M1840 except for the later M1860 style grip shape and style of construction.
View attachment 452860

stamps at the ricasso
View attachment 452858View attachment 452859

Notice the polished part of the blade transforming into a factory brushed surface about two inches short of the guard. This is something that will normally fade with any wear or use at all.

The sword arrived with the J.E.B. Stuart patent-style leather hanger attached. Although they were used during the war, this one looks to be a later Indian
Wars issue, so someone just added it at some point. There is no arsenal mark on it.

I had a PDF copy of American Swords by Authur Wyllie which showed only 1000 M1840s made after 1860 by Ames and 638 more by Shifflin & Lewis but none by Emerson & Silver

Wikipedia (I know--not the best source) told me that the various sword makers quit making the M1840 in 1859-60, but a Google search for Emerson & Silver pointed me toward a sold listing that was still on the net from "The Horse Soldier" in Gettysburg. The listing was for a sword identical to mine and suddenly revealed a lot of missing info including the fact that the state of New Jersey ordered 2700 of these M1840 heavy sabers between 1863 and 1864 for their volunteer cavalry. It also showed the original listing price for sold example which was over 2 and a half times what I had paid. I intended to call them to find out how old that listing is but as of right now it's still on their website.

Link to sold saber: The Horse Soldier

All of this got me curious as to why any state would have ordered a large quantity of what was essentially an obsolete cavalry sword late in the war, so the next thing I did was do a Google search for New Jersey volunteer cavalry during the ACW. From what I could find online it turned out that New Jersey organized at least 3 volunteer cavalry regiments during the war and all of them trained at Fort Bayard which was coincidentally also located in Trenton, N.J. A full regiment usually consisted of 12 companies of 100 men each, so about 1200 men per regiment not including officers and support personnel. Still, no explanation as to why the heavy saber model was ordered when almost everybody else was using the light M1860. Then I hit a connection when I looked at the 3rd Volunteer cavalry regiment. Evidently, to encourage enlistment, some New Jersey official came up with the bright idea to give the 3rd volunteer cavalry extra fancy uniforms---sort of styled after Napoleonic Hussars. They were actually called the 3rd N. J. volunteer Hussars. I can only guess that since they were going to have the name and costume, it was decided that they needed the Hussar-style heavy saber.

Here are some studio shots of some of the 3rd New Jersey Hussars showing both their ornate uniforms and what appears to be their heavy sabers. Because of their fancy uniforms, they were named "the fighting butterflies". They also were issued red-lined capes and a unique jaunty cap to wear. The headgear was simply a brimless kepi turned 90% with an emblem on what was now the front.

The first soldier appears to be an officer due to the aiguillettes draped from his uniform---possibly only a lieutenant from what appears to be a single line of braid on his sleeves. His cape is hanging over the chair. The corporal after him is wearing his cape and evidently was a man of means--having privately purchased thigh-high boots. New Jersey is also on record as having purchased a quantity of Whitney revolvers, so I'm assuming that's what he is holding.
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The star on the chest appears to be another affectation of the 3rd regiment.
View attachment 452865

Of course not knowing how tall or large any of these men are, it's difficult to say for sure whether the swords are M1840s or M1860


As mentioned I had not intended to add another facet to my collecting at this point but had previously posted all this found information on a gun board I belong to. It turned out that another member was a cavalry sword collector for all periods and not just the civil war. He provided me with some information out of his copy of the Thillman book dedicated to cavalry and artillery sabers. He indicated that it did not have a lot of information other than that the state of New Jersey sold about 2700 M1840s back to the Federal government which sort of contradicted the info disclosed in the listing at the Horse Soldier. He never explained this contradiction. I then started looking to acquire a copy of the Thillman book for myself but since it is out of print, I couldn't quite justify the $350 to $500 prices that people were asking for used copies on Amazon. I finally have a line on a copy of the mentioned book for only $200 locally---if I can just get the guy to call me back.

If anyone has the book and can tell me if it will help solve this riddle of why these swords exist feel free to comment or correct the info I have.

Cheers

P.S. I prefer the term collector because it sounds a lot nicer than "hoarder"






Thanks for reading if you made it this far without being totally bored

Cheers
Nice score. The state of NJ special ordered the swords with 1840 style but 1860 grips.

Emerson and Silver, like C. Roby, was another prolific company that made a brief appearance for the Civil War, then dried up. The company operated from 1860-1865, making 27,060 M1860 cavalry sabers, 3000 musician swords, 12,000 NCO swords, and an unknown number of light artillery sabers. The artillery sabers are mounted with blades similar to the cavalry sabers. The company only used two stamp styles for its swords federal government contracts. Cavalry sabers have an arc-shaped Emerson over a linear Silver/Trenton/NJ, as pictured, and NCO swords have the Emerson in the usual arc, with the Silver in a mirrored arc, creating an appearance like a convex lens. In 1863 and 1864, E&S also made M1840 cavalry sabers with '60 style grips for the state of New Jersey, with a distinct pattern of stamp that can be used to identify these swords.

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While I'm not a big sword person, I have acquired a few as wall hangers or photo props--mostly cheap repro's. One such repro is an India-made 1860 cavalry saber that I picked up at Dixie gun works maybe 45 years ago for only $40. Still, it looked good at a distance and was fine as a photo prop.

Anyway, I got the bug to purchase one real ACW M1860 cavalry saber--nothing fancy--just a standard enlisted trooper's version. From checking around at the various ACW militaria sellers, I was suddenly facing sticker shock of more than a grand on anything but what otherwise could be described as a sword-shaped accumulation of rust. However, I found an auction on Proxibid quite some time back that was mostly general firearms but which also included about 10 or 12 individual swords--most ACW period I think. I bookmarked them all--intending to research each later. Then being the old forgetful fart that I am, I promptly forgot about it.

Some time later, I logged on to Proxibid only to see that the auction was in process. In a panic, I quickly signed into the auction just in time for the very last sword to come up on the block. It opened at $425 so I bid $450 intending to go up to maybe $600. Nobody rebid, and I won it for $450. The problem was that it wasn't an M1860, but an earlier M1840 heavy model. I think what may have confused me was that it had an M1860-style grip with a slight swell in the grip belly.

I realize that both were used during the ACW but the lighter M1860 was obviously the most dominant. In fact, it remained the official cavalry saber right up until the early 1900's I think.

Since the deal was done, I decided to wait until I had the blade in hand to research it. With premium and insured shipping, I was out about $550.

When the sword arrived, I thought at first it was a reproduction since the blade was so new and shiny. Of course, the brass guard was tarnished but otherwise scratch and dent-free. The only thing that gave away its age was the "dry as a bone" leather grip which had begun to flake off and/or turn to powder at the touch. I slathered several coats of Lexol which seemed to stabilize it from further decay.

The blade had never been sharpened and still had what appeared to be the original factory polish. There were no nicks on the edge. The maker's stamps on the ricasso appeared as fresh as the day they were stamped. The scabbard was also in almost pristine shape with just some light staining here and there. There were no inspector's stamps. It appeared to me that I had a sword that had never seen any use--probably never even issued. The maker was Emerson & Silver of Trenton, N. J. From what I understand, this sword maker only existed during the ACW but reportedly produced over 100,000 swords of all kinds for the Union army.

Here's just the sword and scabbard along with some shots of the stamping on the ricasso. it has all the size and design characteristics of an M1840 except for the later M1860 style grip shape and style of construction.
View attachment 452860

stamps at the ricasso
View attachment 452858View attachment 452859

Notice the polished part of the blade transforming into a factory brushed surface about two inches short of the guard. This is something that will normally fade with any wear or use at all.

The sword arrived with the J.E.B. Stuart patent-style leather hanger attached. Although they were used during the war, this one looks to be a later Indian
Wars issue, so someone just added it at some point. There is no arsenal mark on it.

I had a PDF copy of American Swords by Authur Wyllie which showed only 1000 M1840s made after 1860 by Ames and 638 more by Shifflin & Lewis but none by Emerson & Silver

Wikipedia (I know--not the best source) told me that the various sword makers quit making the M1840 in 1859-60, but a Google search for Emerson & Silver pointed me toward a sold listing that was still on the net from "The Horse Soldier" in Gettysburg. The listing was for a sword identical to mine and suddenly revealed a lot of missing info including the fact that the state of New Jersey ordered 2700 of these M1840 heavy sabers between 1863 and 1864 for their volunteer cavalry. It also showed the original listing price for sold example which was over 2 and a half times what I had paid. I intended to call them to find out how old that listing is but as of right now it's still on their website.

Link to sold saber: The Horse Soldier

All of this got me curious as to why any state would have ordered a large quantity of what was essentially an obsolete cavalry sword late in the war, so the next thing I did was do a Google search for New Jersey volunteer cavalry during the ACW. From what I could find online it turned out that New Jersey organized at least 3 volunteer cavalry regiments during the war and all of them trained at Fort Bayard which was coincidentally also located in Trenton, N.J. A full regiment usually consisted of 12 companies of 100 men each, so about 1200 men per regiment not including officers and support personnel. Still, no explanation as to why the heavy saber model was ordered when almost everybody else was using the light M1860. Then I hit a connection when I looked at the 3rd Volunteer cavalry regiment. Evidently, to encourage enlistment, some New Jersey official came up with the bright idea to give the 3rd volunteer cavalry extra fancy uniforms---sort of styled after Napoleonic Hussars. They were actually called the 3rd N. J. volunteer Hussars. I can only guess that since they were going to have the name and costume, it was decided that they needed the Hussar-style heavy saber.

Here are some studio shots of some of the 3rd New Jersey Hussars showing both their ornate uniforms and what appears to be their heavy sabers. Because of their fancy uniforms, they were named "the fighting butterflies". They also were issued red-lined capes and a unique jaunty cap to wear. The headgear was simply a brimless kepi turned 90% with an emblem on what was now the front.

The first soldier appears to be an officer due to the aiguillettes draped from his uniform---possibly only a lieutenant from what appears to be a single line of braid on his sleeves. His cape is hanging over the chair. The corporal after him is wearing his cape and evidently was a man of means--having privately purchased thigh-high boots. New Jersey is also on record as having purchased a quantity of Whitney revolvers, so I'm assuming that's what he is holding.
View attachment 452862View attachment 452863

The star on the chest appears to be another affectation of the 3rd regiment.
View attachment 452865

Of course not knowing how tall or large any of these men are, it's difficult to say for sure whether the swords are M1840s or M1860


As mentioned I had not intended to add another facet to my collecting at this point but had previously posted all this found information on a gun board I belong to. It turned out that another member was a cavalry sword collector for all periods and not just the civil war. He provided me with some information out of his copy of the Thillman book dedicated to cavalry and artillery sabers. He indicated that it did not have a lot of information other than that the state of New Jersey sold about 2700 M1840s back to the Federal government which sort of contradicted the info disclosed in the listing at the Horse Soldier. He never explained this contradiction. I then started looking to acquire a copy of the Thillman book for myself but since it is out of print, I couldn't quite justify the $350 to $500 prices that people were asking for used copies on Amazon. I finally have a line on a copy of the mentioned book for only $200 locally---if I can just get the guy to call me back.

If anyone has the book and can tell me if it will help solve this riddle of why these swords exist feel free to comment or correct the info I have.

Cheers

P.S. I prefer the term collector because it sounds a lot nicer than "hoarder"






Thanks for reading if you made it this far without being totally bored

Cheers
Excellent acquisition and research. Congratulations.
 
While I'm not a big sword person, I have acquired a few as wall hangers or photo props--mostly cheap repro's. One such repro is an India-made 1860 cavalry saber that I picked up at Dixie gun works maybe 45 years ago for only $40. Still, it looked good at a distance and was fine as a photo prop.

Anyway, I got the bug to purchase one real ACW M1860 cavalry saber--nothing fancy--just a standard enlisted trooper's version. From checking around at the various ACW militaria sellers, I was suddenly facing sticker shock of more than a grand on anything but what otherwise could be described as a sword-shaped accumulation of rust. However, I found an auction on Proxibid quite some time back that was mostly general firearms but which also included about 10 or 12 individual swords--most ACW period I think. I bookmarked them all--intending to research each later. Then being the old forgetful fart that I am, I promptly forgot about it.

Some time later, I logged on to Proxibid only to see that the auction was in process. In a panic, I quickly signed into the auction just in time for the very last sword to come up on the block. It opened at $425 so I bid $450 intending to go up to maybe $600. Nobody rebid, and I won it for $450. The problem was that it wasn't an M1860, but an earlier M1840 heavy model. I think what may have confused me was that it had an M1860-style grip with a slight swell in the grip belly.

I realize that both were used during the ACW but the lighter M1860 was obviously the most dominant. In fact, it remained the official cavalry saber right up until the early 1900's I think.

Since the deal was done, I decided to wait until I had the blade in hand to research it. With premium and insured shipping, I was out about $550.

When the sword arrived, I thought at first it was a reproduction since the blade was so new and shiny. Of course, the brass guard was tarnished but otherwise scratch and dent-free. The only thing that gave away its age was the "dry as a bone" leather grip which had begun to flake off and/or turn to powder at the touch. I slathered it with several coats of Lexol which seemed to stabilize it from further decay.

The blade had never been sharpened and still had what appeared to be the original factory polish. There were no nicks on the edge. The maker's stamps on the ricasso appeared as fresh as the day they were stamped. The scabbard was also in almost pristine shape with just some light staining here and there. There were no inspector's stamps. It appeared to me that I had a sword that had never seen any use--probably never even issued. The maker was Emerson & Silver of Trenton, N. J. From what I understand, this sword maker only existed during the ACW but reportedly produced over 100,000 swords of all kinds for the Union army.

Here's just the sword and scabbard along with some shots of the stamping on the ricasso. it has all the size and design characteristics of an M1840 except for the later M1860 style grip shape and style of construction.
View attachment 452860

stamps at the ricasso
View attachment 452858View attachment 452859

Notice the polished part of the blade transforming into a factory brushed surface about two inches short of the guard. This is something that will normally fade with any wear or use at all.

The sword arrived with the J.E.B. Stuart patent-style leather hanger attached. Although they were used during the war, this one looks to be a later Indian Wars issue, so someone just added it at some point. There is no arsenal mark on it.

I had a PDF copy of American Swords by Authur Wyllie which showed only 1000 M1840s made after 1860 by Ames and 638 more by Shifflin & Lewis but none by Emerson & Silver

Wikipedia (I know--not the best source) told me that the various sword makers quit making the M1840 in 1859-60, but a Google search for Emerson & Silver pointed me toward a sold listing that was still on the net from "The Horse Soldier" in Gettysburg. The listing was for a sword identical to mine and suddenly revealed a lot of missing info including the fact that the state of New Jersey ordered 2700 of these M1840 heavy sabers between 1863 and 1864 for their volunteer cavalry. It also showed the original listing price for sold example which was over 2 and a half times what I had paid. I intended to call them to find out how old that listing is but as of right now it's still on their website.

Link to sold saber: The Horse Soldier

All of this got me curious as to why any state would have ordered a large quantity of what was essentially an obsolete cavalry sword late in the war, so the next thing I did was do a Google search for New Jersey volunteer cavalry during the ACW. From what I could find online it turned out that New Jersey organized at least 3 volunteer cavalry regiments during the war and all of them trained at Fort Bayard which was coincidentally also located in Trenton, N.J. A full regiment usually consisted of 12 companies of 100 men each, so about 1200 men per regiment not including officers and support personnel. Still, no explanation as to why the heavy saber model was ordered when almost everybody else was using the light M1860. Then I hit a connection when I looked at the 3rd Volunteer cavalry regiment. Evidently, to encourage enlistment, some New Jersey official came up with the bright idea to give the 3rd volunteer cavalry extra fancy uniforms---sort of styled after Napoleonic Hussars. They were actually called the 3rd N. J. volunteer Hussars. I can only guess that since they were going to have the name and costume, it was decided that they needed the Hussar-style heavy saber.

Here are some studio shots of some of the 3rd New Jersey Hussars showing both their ornate uniforms and what appears to be their heavy sabers. Because of their fancy uniforms, they were named "the fighting butterflies". They also were issued red-lined capes and a unique jaunty cap to wear. The headgear was simply a brimless kepi turned 90% with an emblem on what was now the front.

The first soldier appears to be an officer due to the aiguillettes draped from his uniform---possibly only a lieutenant from what appears to be a single line of braid on his sleeves. His cape is hanging over the chair. The corporal after him is wearing his cape and evidently was a man of means--having privately purchased thigh-high boots. New Jersey is also on record as having purchased a quantity of Whitney revolvers, so I'm assuming that's what he is holding.
View attachment 452862View attachment 452863

The star on the chest appears to be another affectation of the 3rd regiment.
View attachment 452865

Of course not knowing how tall or large any of these men are, it's difficult to say for sure whether the swords are M1840s or M1860


As mentioned I had not intended to add another facet to my collecting at this point but had previously posted all this found information on a gun board I belong to. It turned out that another member was a cavalry sword collector for all periods and not just the civil war. He provided me with some information out of his copy of the Thillman book dedicated to cavalry and artillery sabers. He indicated that it did not have a lot of information other than that the state of New Jersey sold about 2700 M1840s back to the Federal government which sort of contradicted the info disclosed in the listing at the Horse Soldier. He never explained this contradiction. I then started looking to acquire a copy of the Thillman book for myself but since it is out of print, I couldn't quite justify the $350 to $500 prices that people were asking for used copies on Amazon. I finally have a line on a copy of the mentioned book for only $200 locally---if I can just get the guy to call me back.

If anyone has the book and can tell me if it will help solve this riddle of why these swords exist feel free to comment or correct the info I have.

Cheers

P.S. I prefer the term collector because it sounds a lot nicer than "hoarder"

Thanks for reading if you made it this far without being totally bored

Cheers
Very nice piece. So glad it fell into your hands. I know you will treat it as the beauty that it is.
 
My first suspicion on finding that an 1840 blade was hilted in the 1860 style late in the war, and this was requested, would be that the buyer is trying to save some money. There must have been some 1840 blades lying arould that Emmerson and Silver would have had to take a loss on if they didn't find a way to sell them off. Actually, there were others who sold directily to New Jersey. I think Thillmann mentions several and there may have been one more that he didn't mention but I would have to go pawing through the study collection and read his books; it may have been on something besides cavalry sabers.

I've seen the mention of artillery saber hilts on cavalry saber blades, but has anyone heard about cavalry saber hilts on artillery saber blades? I've seen one with an Ames blade, I think, and there has been one more on eBay but priced up there over $700. Was this a thing for some regiment or the result of a meddlesome antique dealer just trying to make a sale?
 
Thanks, uvrelics for the info and to all for the nice comments. I'm still confused as to the statement from the gentleman on my gun board who claimed that the Thillman book stated that New Jersey sold 2700 M1840 sabers to the Federal government while the listing at The Horse Soldier seller states that New Jersey bought 2700 of these sabers from Emerson & Silver. Of course, the matching numbers could just be a coincidence and another explanation could be that the state ordered them but that the federal government then paid for them. I still wonder how many actually got issued. My example apparently never saw any field use.

@R. Porter Your theory to explain the odd combination of an M1840 blade with an M1860 grip has merit. While there appears to be no record of Emerson & Silver ever producing any M1840 sabers prior to this mid-war issue one must remember that company was opportunistically formed for mostly war production. Somewhere in my research, I had read that early on E & S produced some 5000 M1860 unmarked blades that were ordered and assembled into swords by the Horstman company. Those swords have a keystone stamp on the side opposite the Horstman name.

Thus, it is also possible that they also produced some M1840 blades thinking they would get an order that never materialized.

However, I would propose an alternate possibility. The M1860 style of grip may not have been used to save money but used instead because by 1863/64 it was considered a better fit for the hand and used a more secure construction method than the old M1840. It was also the only grip that Emerson and Silver had the process in place to manufacture at that point.

The M1860 style had a spiral channel routed into the wooden grip base to help keep the outer wire wrap in place while the M1840 style attempted to hold the wire in place with a layer of cushioning cordage wrapped around the wood under the layer of leather. Thus, the M1840 style of grip construction may have been a bit more likely to fail and come apart than the M1860.

At this point, it's all still just speculation.

Cheers
 
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I think the cord wrapped grip is considered to be a foreign, and in particular German, style grip. Ames made their 1840's with a grooved wood base. I think when other 1840 style swords show up, the grooved wood grips are considered to be made in America even if the blade is from Solingen (think P. S. Justice).
 
I think the cord wrapped grip is considered to be a foreign, and in particular German, style grip. Ames made their 1840's with a grooved wood base. I think when other 1840 style swords show up, the grooved wood grips are considered to be made in America even if the blade is from Solingen (think P. S. Justice).

Thanks for the correction. I had based my obviously amateur opinion on observing various derelict M1840s for sale on eBay showing only the wooden base with no wrapping. Since I had no interest in such swords, I paid no attention to their blade markings or origins. Thus I assumed all M1840 were made without the spiral channels.

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I was relatively certain that I had seen an Ames M1840 with an ungrooved wooden grip and sure enough here is one that recently sold on eBay.

Thus while I can't dispute that some Ames M1840s were made with grooved channels in the wood--below is an example that clearly shows that some did not use the grooves. The leather on this example has evidently rotted away leaving only the wire wrap and the original cordage used as a spacer with what appears to be a straight-sided wooden grip base. Also, the fact that on all M1840s, I have observed that the wire loops are spaced much closer than that those on the M1860. This would seem to make using the grooved channel method much harder to do with such a small piece of wood. (Once again that is pure speculation on my part)

I also found one other Ames M1840 with no leather, wire, or cordage left but the straight-sided grip left might be a complete makeshift replacement so I didn't bother to link it.

Link: Ames N1840 dated 1851 (sold)

Here's the right side
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Here is the left side showing the Ames logo plus an 1851 date
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I've seen an Ames model 1840 blade with an S&K guard dating from the 1839, 1840, or 1847 batches of S&K swords since it had the crown and D inspection mark. How do you think that got there? There was some degree of swapping out parts from damaged swords to make fully functional ones; that's why they collected small arms off of the battlefield. So the Ames in your picture may have been re-hilted or re-gripped to put it back in service or at a later date by an antique dealer to make it more saleable. If we had an average set of measurements for the guards and pommels for each sword maker we might be able to determine if the hilt has been replaced or just the grip.
 

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