Artillery in a rout

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This may be somewhat of a dumb question, but sometimes you gotta ask the dumb questions to be a smarter person, how would artillery retreat? Would they limber the guns, get the horses to pull the gun, etc, or, if in a rout, would they just abandon the piece? Were artillerists expected not to run on a higher level than infantryman? Were there consequences, from their higher officers, if they abandoned their piece without orders (even if they were out of ammunition or about to be overtaken by the enemy)? Any knowledge on this topic would be appreciated as I can't seem to find this in books or articles.
 
Not a dumb question! I am not knowledgeable about the subject, but the members who posted in this thread are, particularly about a seldom-used and risky maneuver artillery units were sometimes forced to execute: retreat by prologue firing. For a dramatic retelling of the retreat of Bigelow's Battery from the Trostle Farm lane at Gettysburg, watch this presentation by Licensed Battlefield Guide Doug Douds, beginning at about 1:30. The presentation covers the mechanics of the action, and I would bet the members who discussed the maneuver on the thread above would be able to address the related questions you've asked.

"The Trostle Farm with Col. Doug Douds"
 
Am reading Perryville. A lot of artillery was lost and regained during this action. Sometimes all the horses were shot and men tried to move the guns by hand. Sometimes they had time for that and sometimes they didn't. Sometimes you just had to spike them and run. There were a few die-hards that kept swinging away at the approaching enemy until killed, taken, or rescued.
 
The battery commanders considered it a great dishonor to lose a gun . Sometimes it was simply impossible to save them . Lt. Gulian Weir of battery C, 5th US artillery lost 3 guns on July 2nd at Gettysburg. The guns were later recovered .He had been wounded twice and he and his men performed bravely. Hancock , however, criticized him for losing his guns. Weir was a West Point graduate and a professional soldier. . Hancock's criticism caused whispers of cowardice and incompetence. Although he was later promoted to Captain , Weir spent decades trying to restore his honor. He corresponded with Hancock several times but apparently never heard back from him. 23 years after the battle he committed suicide having felt that he would never restore his honor. He was 48.
 
The battery commanders considered it a great dishonor to lose a gun . Sometimes it was simply impossible to save them . Lt. Gulian Weir of battery C, 5th US artillery lost 3 guns on July 2nd at Gettysburg. The guns were later recovered .He had been wounded twice and he and his men performed bravely. Hancock , however, criticized him for losing his guns. Weir was a West Point graduate and a professional soldier. . Hancock's criticism caused whispers of cowardice and incompetence. Although he was later promoted to Captain , Weir spent decades trying to restore his honor. He corresponded with Hancock several times but apparently never heard back from him. 23 years after the battle he committed suicide having felt that he would never restore his honor. He was 48.
The Big Brass can be genuine a-holes Some things never change.
 
The Artillerist's Manual: Compiled from Various Sources, & Adapted to the Service of the United States.

General John Gibbon

This is a how to manual of Civil War artillery. It is the second edition that contains lessons learned during the war. It available in hard copy & online. Rather than getting information from people who admit they don't know anything, you can directly access a Civil War manual.

I am uncertain what your use of the word "route" entails. By definition a rout is an out of control loss of discipline & order. On Missionary Ridge, Army of Tennessee artillerists shoved their guns off the ridge top, sending them bounding wildly to avoid capture.

At Nashville, the artillerists in a redoubt on Hood's left abandoned their guns when the man with the friction primers panicked & ran away.

At Stones River on December 31st 1862, artillery batteries did great execution to Hardee's corps. Backed against a dense cedar break & having lost almost all the horses, the surviving artillerists fled.

At Perryville, Parson's battery occupied a ridge top with a fine field of fire. Due to the lay of the ground, a CSA battalion was able to approach without being seen. Like bunnies out of a hat, the gray backs bounded into view & overran the guns.

The point is that there is no drill for the complete chaos of a rout.

Artillery batteries were well drilled. In very short order, they could limber to the rear & gallop away. There was a drill for withdrawing under fire.

On the trail of each gun was a rope called a prolong. One end of it has a loop that can be hitched to a limber. The other end is a brass "T" handle. It was passed through the lunette on the trail.

With the prolong stretched out, the gun could be fired & pulled back in stages. This drill was practiced regularly. It was only used in action very rarely. In fact, I do not have a citation of a withdrawal by prolong in my artillery file.
 
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This may be somewhat of a dumb question, but sometimes you gotta ask the dumb questions to be a smarter person, how would artillery retreat? Would they limber the guns, get the horses to pull the gun, etc, or, if in a rout, would they just abandon the piece? Were artillerists expected not to run on a higher level than infantryman? Were there consequences, from their higher officers, if they abandoned their piece without orders (even if they were out of ammunition or about to be overtaken by the enemy)? Any knowledge on this topic would be appreciated as I can't seem to find this in books or articles.
I found an excellent account that exactly addresses your questions. It is the best one that I am aware of.

"If Ever Men Stayed By Their Guns."
Leadership of the 1st & 11th Corps Artillery on the First Day of Gettysburg.

By Bert Barnet

<npshistory.com>

"Retiring by prolong, firing as it withdrew, the 13th New York Battery…

Note: Socrates said that the first step on the road to understanding is to know that you don't know. I really had to root around to find this NPS article.
 
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In reading Patchan and Wert recently, Early lost something like 18 cannon between Third Winchester and Fisher's Hill.

At Cedar Creek, the Confederates captured 24 Union artillery in the morning, but lost all of them back in the afternoon counterattack plus a comparable amount of Confederate cannons.

I forget which valley battle it was and which battery, but one unit saved its guns by sacrificing its caissons. There wasn't enough time to hook up both and the guns were harder to replace.

At Gettysburg's Peach Orchard, one of the Union batteries "retired by prologue" (I may be misspelling the term) from the collapse of the salient. A gun would fire and the crew would use the momentum from recoil and ropes attached to the carriage to pull it backwards a short distance before reloading and firing again. They had some success with this tactic (canister is a brutal thing), though I can't recall if they got the whole battery off.
 
Am reading Perryville. A lot of artillery was lost and regained during this action. Sometimes all the horses were shot and men tried to move the guns by hand. Sometimes they had time for that and sometimes they didn't. Sometimes you just had to spike them and run. There were a few die-hards that kept swinging away at the approaching enemy until killed, taken, or rescued.
All of this is true…at the First Manassas 150 (second day) we galvanized as a Union mountain howitzer supporting the top hats (Minnesota?) infantry and having a gay ole time peppering Confederate infantry from various angles until interrupted by a caphony of yips and whoops from Rebel horsemen. What a racket! When the Union boys and girls formed squares we decided to move our tube further away from the heat. Easier with a howitzer than a bigger gun.

The big girl could be moved but with lots of guys and gals pulling and pushing. A lot depends on terrain and field conditions. I came close to capture during our re-enactments. I have seen my share of the skedattle and a lot of it is post event mad rush for the Highway with the caisson (trailer) loaded and pulled by powerful horsepower.

OTC
SCH
 

Spiking the guns

"Spiking a gun was a method of temporarily disabling a cannon by hammering a barbed steel spike into the touch hole; this could be removed only with great difficulty. If a special spike was unavailable, spiking could be done by driving a bayonet into the touch-hole and breaking it off, to leave the blade's tip embedded.Guns could also be rendered useless by burning their wooden carriages or blowing off their trunnions.

Count Friedrich Wilhelm von Bismarck, in his Lectures on the Tactics of Cavalry, recommended that every cavalry soldier carry the equipment needed to spike guns if an encounter with enemy artillery was expected.[4]If a cannon was in danger of being captured by the enemy, its crew would spike the gun to prevent it from being used against them. Captured guns would be spiked if they could not be hauled away and the gun's recapture seemed likely. Covert missions to spike the enemy's guns could also be done to prevent counterattacks and protect ships during withdrawal, as in the case of the Ranger's attack on Whitehavenduring the American Revolutionary War."
 
They'd probably spike the pieces if they couldn't move them, abandoned them, or trying to fend off the attackers.
Yes … indeed … the "cannoneers" were told this … IMHO a wurm/worm inplement is a nasty corkscrew in the face and a ramrod could serve as a club…maybe the 3 and 4 position could grab the box or whatever they could carry (wield the bucket?) The gunner should go down with the gun or surrender honorably. Our lieutenant and captain carried side arms. Colonel had the sword and a voice like thunder.
 


"Attacking infantry usually made batteries their prime targets, for the capture of field pieces were a great prize. Often as crews were limbering up to pull out, assaulting infantry would shoot the horses, requiring the piece to be abandoned. If capture was unavoidable, crews would even shoot their own horses to prevent the enemy from moving the piece. Spiking the weapon, that is to drive a piece of metal into the firing vent, also rendered it inoperative for a time."
 
This may be somewhat of a dumb question, but sometimes you gotta ask the dumb questions to be a smarter person, how would artillery retreat?
Did you mean retreat or rout? Big difference.

To see how an artillery battery was routed, read about the 13th Ohio Light Artillery at the Battle of Shiloh.

Quote from Wikipedia:
"On the first day of the Battle of Shiloh (April 6, 1862), the battery was positioned in the Peach Orchard Field, while the battery was coming on line, it was struck by enemy fire. Sergeant David Skeen Price (Sergeant of Gun #2) was killed instantly when a cannonball struck him in the shoulder throwing him off his horse, a second round struck a caisson and it exploded causing the horses to bolt. five of the batteries six guns were captured. "

The Unlucky 13th at Shiloh
"Robertson's Alabama Battery opened with four guns on the Buckeyes with shot and shell and within a few moments the sergeant of Myers' gun number two was killed and another eight men were wounded about the same time. Then another round struck a caisson which in turn exploded. Large tree limbs were falling on the battery, and some of the battery horses became entangled in the timber. By this point, the remaining men of the battery did panic, leaving five guns in their haste to flee the turmoil surrounding them. The horse team of the sixth gun, untrained as they were, broke and left with the gun attached. It was not an auspicious day for the 13th."
 
Yes … indeed … the "cannoneers" were told this … IMHO a wurm/worm inplement is a nasty corkscrew in the face and a ramrod could serve as a club…maybe the 3 and 4 position could grab the box or whatever they could carry (wield the bucket?) The gunner should go down with the gun or surrender honorably. Our lieutenant and captain carried side arms. Colonel had the sword and a voice like thunder.
One man was recognized for bravery for killing one man with an ax and wounding another with a pickax in defense of the battery's guns
 
One man was recognized for bravery for killing one man with an ax and wounding another with a pickax in defense of the battery's guns
IMHO It must have taken that intestinal fortitude to face that kind of up close and personal combat. We hear of it time and again on both sides.

Being a retired cannoneer and a novice at CW strategy and tactics - I have done my share of loading and unloading and manhandling both light and heavy tubes and believe it takes more than five/six with a powder monkey per gun. What with the implements, ammo box(es)/projectiles - (without horses) it is difficult. Hard to keep the powder and projectiles up with the gun. It can be done as we wheeled and shot , wheeled and shot with a mountain howitzer at Endview Plantation.

I personally have almost eaten dirt behind a wheel during an engagement. Having "been" both sides, I can appreciate as a tactile learner how it must have been for artillery.-long days of boredom and then hours of sheer terror. It's the most intense experience I have had aside from zip lining/jet skiing and IFLY and EMT Volunteer Ambulance driver. No wonder no one smiles in the early photos.
 
Actually hammering a jagged edged spike of iron into a vent was not something that occurred during the rout described in the header of this thread. There were, however, some quick & dirty ways to disable, i.e. spike the gun.

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Throwing away the caps holding the trunnions in place was quick & easy. Additionally, if the unwitting infantry fired the gun, the resulting recoil would have been very amusing.

Dropping the priming wire into the vent & then bending it over with the sponge rammer was easy-peasy. I saw this happen during an aptly named awkward squad training drill. It was surprisingly awkward to remove.

Simply loading a couple of cannon balls or rifle bolts quickly & effectively spiked the gun. If time allowed, driving a wooden wedge home to jam the rounds with the sponge rammer was even more effective.

Of course, spiking the gun was the last thing on the mind of artillerists who were being overrun. On Missionary Ridge it was a 12 pound ball smashing down the door of his HQ that alerted Bragg to the rout. It was fired by jubilant infantry who used muzzle flash to set off the charge. An over excited soldier discovered that cannon became sizzling hot when he jumped astride the barrel. You could say that both he & Bragg found themselves in the hot seat.

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It wasn't hard to un-spike a bronze gun. The brass vent had to be replaced on a regular basis. Unscrewing it & putting in a new one would have been easy.

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On an iron gun the spike could be removed one of three ways. It could be drilled out. Alternatively, the spike could be drilled & tapped. A screw with a loop could then be used, along with some oil, to get a purchase to pull it out. A punch could drive the spike down into the breech.

At Franklin a young attacker attempted to spike a cannon by jamming a broken fence rail into the muzzle.

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That did not end well for him.
 
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This may be somewhat of a dumb question, but sometimes you gotta ask the dumb questions to be a smarter person, how would artillery retreat? Would they limber the guns, get the horses to pull the gun, etc, or, if in a rout, would they just abandon the piece? Were artillerists expected not to run on a higher level than infantryman? Were there consequences, from their higher officers, if they abandoned their piece without orders (even if they were out of ammunition or about to be overtaken by the enemy)? Any knowledge on this topic would be appreciated as I can't seem to find this in books or articles.
( I was on vacation last week so I'm a little late jumping in on this one) - Very good question - the answer is all of the above - depending on the circumstances. I have 2 examples from 1st Ohio Battery A.

At Stones River, Battery A was at a right angle to the end of the union line. The Union Line broke and ran, leaving Battery A on the field by themselves with quickly advancing confederates. The chief of the caissons saw what was happening and was able to move them to a safer location. The 6 guns of the battery had no choice but to limber up and scatter in all directions. Some Guns were captured/recapture/lost and men captured. For about 24 hours Battery A ceased to exist. The captured men were exchanged quickly, and finally the men were able to locate the caissons, found some of their guns, and were able to reform and re-equip.

At Chickamaugua, due to the overgrown terrain and close quarters, at times batteries were even firing canister at each other. both sides lost a large number of horses ( Battery A was fortunate and only lost 1/3 of their horses). guns were abandoned on the field as the battle flowed back and forth due to the lack of horses to move them. some were spiked if the crews had a chance, other were rolled into ditches and streams to make it harder to put captured guns into service.
 
( I was on vacation last week so I'm a little late jumping in on this one) - Very good question - the answer is all of the above - depending on the circumstances. I have 2 examples from 1st Ohio Battery A.

At Stones River, Battery A was at a right angle to the end of the union line. The Union Line broke and ran, leaving Battery A on the field by themselves with quickly advancing confederates. The chief of the caissons saw what was happening and was able to move them to a safer location. The 6 guns of the battery had no choice but to limber up and scatter in all directions. Some Guns were captured/recapture/lost and men captured. For about 24 hours Battery A ceased to exist. The captured men were exchanged quickly, and finally the men were able to locate the caissons, found some of their guns, and were able to reform and re-equip.

At Chickamaugua, due to the overgrown terrain and close quarters, at times batteries were even firing canister at each other. both sides lost a large number of horses ( Battery A was fortunate and only lost 1/3 of their horses). guns were abandoned on the field as the battle flowed back and forth due to the lack of horses to move them. some were spiked if the crews had a chance, other were rolled into ditches and streams to make it harder to put captured guns into service.
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In the museum at Stones River there is a Napoleon that was lost during that battle.

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It was recaptured on Missionary Ridge. This memoriam is beautifully engraved on the gun.

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It is in a glass case that makes it nigh on impossible to take a decent photo of the inscription it bears. A visitor can see it easily.
 
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