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My Ancestry DNA results came back this week and I'm a little bit surprised by the ethnicity breakdown from my father's side of the family. Some how he's 94% from Great Britain which I find hilarious since he was told his ancestors came from Germany, France and England :tongue: What's even more strange is the average native Brit only has 60% in GB heritage department, so its weird he'd be more British than the natives. Explains me being such a huge Anglophile, too :whistling: So, I was wondering if anyone else ever had a very high percentage like this turn up in their report.

Also, those folks who are 'cousins' who have private trees is it wrong to reach out to them? Will they be offended or think its rude that reached out them since they've marked their tree private? I assume people who have gone through the trouble of doing research and DNA must be interested in finding out new and different information from other descendants.

And one last thing, once you link your family tree and get cousins what's up with all the people who went through the expense and trouble of running the test but never creating a family tree? :stomp: Most of the 2nd cousin matches don't have trees and haven't logged on in a few years. Do people only do the test to see their ethnic heritage? :frown:
 
My brother just did this! Independently of him, I was looking into signing up on Ancestry, so that was funny timing. (Or WAS it :O o: ... *cue suspenseful music*).
Also, those folks who are 'cousins' who have private trees is it wrong to reach out to them? Will they be offended or think its rude that reached out them since they've marked their tree private?
Not being on Ancestry yet, I can only guess...perhaps they keep their trees private simply to reduce the number of total strangers who might otherwise contact them. If you have a family link, you would not be a total stranger. So I think they would not think you were rude for contacting them. They can always choose not to respond.

I once tracked down a family ~ complete strangers ~ because my sister found their great grandfather's keys in an old house that she purchased. :) They were shocked to hear from me but pretty happy to get those keys back.
Do people only do the test to see their ethnic heritage?
Maybe. I have no idea if my brother has created a tree yet or not (I literally just discovered yesterday that he had the DNA test done.). Out of all of us, I would be the most likely to get that going. I could see him just wanting an ethnicity breakdown.

Maybe that's why he sent me his DNA results...giving me a little nudge. :cautious:

Okay, now I have a question...given the nature of this DNA test, I don't really need to have it done, do I? He and I have the same parents, grandparents, etc. Wouldn't my numbers come up the same?
 
I'm on Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)... I don't know how it works on Ancestry, but on FTDNA it matters how deep you're testing. If you only test the basic level of markers, the information is going to be more "blurry" and the connections more hypothetical; a deep test (which, of course, costs more) gets you better accuracy and certainty.
 
Okay, now I have a question...given the nature of this DNA test, I don't really need to have it done, do I? He and I have the same parents, grandparents, etc. Wouldn't my numbers come up the same?
It would be a good test to those who run the test see if your discovery matches your brother. Perhaps it will help validate the information you are given as consistent/correct or not between obviously related siblings. If you are each given a widely varied set of information, it may be time to question their research.
 
Okay, now I have a question...given the nature of this DNA test, I don't really need to have it done, do I? He and I have the same parents, grandparents, etc. Wouldn't my numbers come up the same?

Nope, his DNA would be the same as yours... except for the 23rd chromosome pair (X/Y) that determines gender. There may be a tiny variation there but not a terribly large one; plus, with his DNA, you can do a Y-DNA test that goes back along the father-to-son (family name) line.

You and he could equally do a mitochondrial test that goes back on the mother-daughter line (we get our mitochondrial DNA from our mothers, so he has the same as you do... but any children he has will have his wife's instead of his/yours).


ETA With respect to MRB's post, yes, if the test isn't terribly accurate, testing you against your brother would be a pretty good check on it... though I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it!
 
My brother just did this! Independently of him, I was looking into signing up on Ancestry, so that was funny timing. (Or WAS it :O o: ... *cue suspenseful music*).

Not being on Ancestry yet, I can only guess...perhaps they keep their trees private simply to reduce the number of total strangers who might otherwise contact them. If you have a family link, you would not be a total stranger. So I think they would not think you were rude for contacting them. They can always choose not to respond.

I once tracked down a family ~ complete strangers ~ because my sister found their great grandfather's keys in an old house that she purchased. :smile: They were shocked to hear from me but pretty happy to get those keys back.

Maybe. I have no idea if my brother has created a tree yet or not (I literally just discovered yesterday that he had the DNA test done.). Out of all of us, I would be the most likely to get that going. I could see him just wanting an ethnicity breakdown.

Maybe that's why he sent me his DNA results...giving me a little nudge. :cautious:

Okay, now I have a question...given the nature of this DNA test, I don't really need to have it done, do I? He and I have the same parents, grandparents, etc. Wouldn't my numbers come up the same?

LOL! Nothing more frustrating than discovering close genetic matches chose not to do a tree! So you or your brother better hop to it! Or people like me will be shaking our fists at the pc screen going why did you bother? :x3:

That's a valid point, in theory we aren't really strangers if we have the same DNA somehow!

I did my parents since I'm an only child and my mother's parents were born in country that no longer exists in Europe thanks to two world wars, but was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, so I wanted to isolate her DNA from my father's since both sides of his family came here way before the American Revolution. I would've selected older relatives if most hadn't died more recently, as I was led to believe that their DNA results and matches are more pure because it hasn't been as diluted as younger generations.
 
Thanks for your helpful replies, @MRB1863 and @Mark F. Jenkins. :)
So you or your brother better hop to it! Or people like me will be shaking our fists at the pc screen going why did you bother?
:laugh: Okay, okay! I was going to spend that money on yarn, but you've altered my course. Plus I already have eleventy one million yards of yarn. :sheep:

(And more yarn coming in today's mail.)

(And maybe tomorrow's too.)

....

(And Santa brought me a yarny gift certificate.)

:whistling:
 
Since I was adopted we tried Ancestry DNA just to see what my real background was.we tried their test on 4 separate occasions and each time they were unable to obtain results.after some doing they did make a full refund so I do not know how accurate their test is.
 
I had mine done partly for the idea I might have Native American or African American ancestors (nope) but also to reach out and touch base with logical relatives. Surprise! The secret great grandmother was Acadian. Sweet! And I have reconnected with various cousins. So. It was worth it. Now we're thinking of doing my daughter so she'll know what came from her dad's side, and her daughter....
 
Since I was adopted we tried Ancestry DNA just to see what my real background was.we tried their test on 4 separate occasions and each time they were unable to obtain results.after some doing they did make a full refund so I do not know how accurate their test is.

Just from curiosity, how long ago was this?

A couple of years ago, I went to a genetic-genealogy seminar at the Ohio Historical Society; the presenter noted the principal companies that had related products and tests, not specifically recommending any but noting their pros and cons. I remember that she said that Ancestry's DNA test was one of the first ones out there but had been superseded in terms of technology and accuracy by others... though I believe I've heard that they've improved it since then (in large part due to the competition).
 
Just from curiosity, how long ago was this?

A couple of years ago, I went to a genetic-genealogy seminar at the Ohio Historical Society; the presenter noted the principal companies that had related products and tests, not specifically recommending any but noting their pros and cons. I remember that she said that Ancestry's DNA test was one of the first ones out there but had been superseded in terms of technology and accuracy by others... though I believe I've heard that they've improved it since then (in large part due to the competition).
We have tried 4 times over the past 6 months.they made the refund last week saying that they were unable to process my samples that I would have to go to a lab for a direct mouth swab.
 
Since I was adopted we tried Ancestry DNA just to see what my real background was.we tried their test on 4 separate occasions and each time they were unable to obtain results.after some doing they did make a full refund so I do not know how accurate their test is.

They can't even discern an ethnic match-up? That's really odd.

As for the accuracy of the Ancestry test, I will say one of my ancestor matches on my father's side happens to live in the hometown of my great-grandmother according to their profile. Also, on my mother's side I see surnames of neighbors and friends from the small town in Austria my grandparents were from as possible matches, so I wouldn't not recommend the test as a handy tool for research. Perhaps its more helpful for those who already have a decent foothold in their roots as opposed to those who haven't or are unable to figure out their roots.
 
I've yet to do this but my Ancestry tree is extensive so I have a general idea of what my make up is and where most of my ancestors came from. I'd like to do the DNA test some time though. Of course being a broke student makes it harder to spare $100+ even with a job. :cry::frantic:
 
I've yet to do this but my Ancestry tree is extensive so I have a general idea of what my make up is and where most of my ancestors came from. I'd like to do the DNA test some time though. Of course being a broke student makes it harder to spare $100+ even with a job. :cry::frantic:

It's hard to cough up $100 let alone $200 if you want to test both your parents. I waited till the tests were on sale during Black Friday weekend for only $69, which to me was worth it. I looked into the 23andme site, they charge a whooping $199 for each test! Granted you get health info, etc. from them, but I've heard some very negative things about the health analysis part of the results, so I didn't feel it was worth it.

My tree is extensive on some branches, but I've hit some brick walls with a few lines I'm curious about. Naturally I don't see any hits in the cousin realm for my dead ends yet, naturally! But I'm hopeful.

And as for being certain about your ethnic makeup, don't assume anything! Just ask my mom who found out she's 14% Italian/Greek even though that seems quite impossible from the research I've done :tongue:
 
We have traced my father's side over 600 years using very reputable information. hit a wall when the records were lost in a church fire. Traced Mother's side accurately four or five hundred years, too. I figure that is enough to understand from where I have come (evolved). Funny conversation Mother had with us when we were very young. She used to say "Just think if your Father and I would have not met, you and your sisters would not be here." To which I invariably answered "Yeah, but we would not be able to think about it either, moot point!"
 
I've done both Family Tree and 23 & Me. With some interesting results. I'm also a extensive user of ancestry.com and fold3.com. Turns out I'm also a Neanderthal (what's is left of them anyways-chuckles). Neanderthal is a European trait by the way, LOL!

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My Ancestry DNA results came back this week and I'm a little bit surprised by the ethnicity breakdown from my father's side of the family. Some how he's 94% from Great Britain which I find hilarious since he was told his ancestors came from Germany, France and England :tongue: What's even more strange is the average native Brit only has 60% in GB heritage department, so its weird he'd be more British than the natives. Explains me being such a huge Anglophile, too :whistling: So, I was wondering if anyone else ever had a very high percentage like this turn up in their report.

Also, those folks who are 'cousins' who have private trees is it wrong to reach out to them? Will they be offended or think its rude that reached out them since they've marked their tree private? I assume people who have gone through the trouble of doing research and DNA must be interested in finding out new and different information from other descendants.

And one last thing, once you link your family tree and get cousins what's up with all the people who went through the expense and trouble of running the test but never creating a family tree? :stomp: Most of the 2nd cousin matches don't have trees and haven't logged on in a few years. Do people only do the test to see their ethnic heritage? :frown:
Okay, to understand your ethnicity results, first you need to understand what this test actually does.

An admixture test involves first locating several people who are "representative" of a certain population and testing them to provide comparison samples. So for example, the Great Britain samples would be people whose known ancestry supposedly comes only from Great Britain for several generations, the German one would be people with only German ancestry for several generations. You test as many likely candidates as you can get hold of, and label that "Great British DNA" or "German DNA."

Then you create an algorithm which compares the testee's sample to the various populations.

There are several possible problems with this approach, the most obvious of which is that your results depend entirely on the people you sampled. Let's say you were unable to persuade any Navajo to participate in your sample testing - now you have no Navajo sample population. If you are a Navajo, and you test, it will try to pick the closest thing... which may be very misleading, such as Asian.

Let's say one of your Great Britain samples was a person whose grandpa was secretly the illegitimate baby of a German. Now you have German DNA in your database labeled as Great Britain.

The biggest problem, though, is that the DNA of populations doesn't respect lines on maps. Dublin had a Viking king at one point. Great Britain was invaded by Saxons and Normans. Normans were from France but had Scandinavian blood. Roman soldiers from North Africa went to Great Britain, settled down, and intermarried. Different regions mostly do not have distinctly different autosomal DNA in any time frame which is meaningful to genealogical researchers.

And if by sheer dumb luck you happen to be directly related to someone who was included in the sample population, it will wildly skew your results in favor of that region.

All that your ethnicity results mean is that your personal DNA more closely represents one sample group than another. For some reason, your dad's DNA is closely matching the UK samples - that doesn't mean he doesn't have ancestors from France or Germany, it just means that his personal DNA most closely resembles the samples taken from modern Britain.

Ancestry's admixture calculator will mostly correctly identify an African versus a European, a Jewish person, or an Eastern European. That's about as far as it goes. More specific results are about as accurate as reading tea leaves, and there are not enough Native American or Asian samples to be useful. Throw in the fact that there seems to be actual hoodoo involved - the same person taking the test twice has gotten different admixture results from identical DNA when testing at Ancestry - and it's really not good for much beyond entertainment.

If you're interested, you can download your raw data and upload it to Gedmatch for free. Gedmatch has several different admixture calculators based on different sample populations, and one of them may be more relevant to you.

My brother just did this! Independently of him, I was looking into signing up on Ancestry, so that was funny timing. (Or WAS it :O o: ... *cue suspenseful music*).

Not being on Ancestry yet, I can only guess...perhaps they keep their trees private simply to reduce the number of total strangers who might otherwise contact them. If you have a family link, you would not be a total stranger. So I think they would not think you were rude for contacting them. They can always choose not to respond.

I once tracked down a family ~ complete strangers ~ because my sister found their great grandfather's keys in an old house that she purchased. :smile: They were shocked to hear from me but pretty happy to get those keys back.

Maybe. I have no idea if my brother has created a tree yet or not (I literally just discovered yesterday that he had the DNA test done.). Out of all of us, I would be the most likely to get that going. I could see him just wanting an ethnicity breakdown.

Maybe that's why he sent me his DNA results...giving me a little nudge. :cautious:

Okay, now I have a question...given the nature of this DNA test, I don't really need to have it done, do I? He and I have the same parents, grandparents, etc. Wouldn't my numbers come up the same?

Siblings only share about 50% of their DNA, so your results can be quite different from your brother's. If you're only interested in your ethnic mix, don't bother - as I said above, for most people it's about as useful as reading tea leaves. If you want to locate cousin matches, though, the more DNA you have, the better. You will have thousands of matches your brother does not. Better than taking the test yourself is getting the older generation done - if your parents or grandparents are living, test them first. They will have DNA in common with an earlier generation which did not get passed down to you.

Regarding private trees and no trees - I have yet to have anyone be offended about being contacted, but people may not answer or may not be helpful. My approach on private trees is to greet them, apologize for contacting them, and ask to trade information. Most people never reply, but some have been helpful.

As for people with no trees - according to Ancestry's report, about 25% of people who take the DNA test were not members when they took it, and took it just for the ethnicity results. Ancestry really markets the ethnicity results, and doesn't really push people to make trees. I have noticed that many of my no-tree matches are African ethnicity, which given that I am white, probably means an even larger percentage overall are Africans - probably testing in hopes of breaking through that pre-1870 barrier and learning something about where in Africa their ancestors came from.

Some no-tree matches are adoptees looking for answers. One of my closest locked matches turned out to be someone whose mom had been a groupie and told her she was the daughter of a famous person. She got the test in hopes of confirming or denying this, and her match list indicates that it's true. I also first learned from her that I was cousins with this famous person, which is kind of cool. Adoptees will mostly be delighted with any help you can give them.
 
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I've done both Family Tree and 23 & Me. With some interesting results. I'm also a extensive user of ancestry.com and fold3.com. Turns out I'm also a Neanderthal (what's is left of them anyways-chuckles). Neanderthal is a European trait by the way, LOL!

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LOL! Neanderthal? What fun! Must make for some interesting jokes in the family. Here's my dad's makeup. I loved the Caucasus one best, I told him I'll get him a nice antique Caucasian rug for his birthday :wink:

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We have tried 4 times over the past 6 months.they made the refund last week saying that they were unable to process my samples that I would have to go to a lab for a direct mouth swab.
By any chance do you wear dentures? That is a big known problem. Denture adhesive seems to destroy the samples.
 
Okay, to understand your ethnicity results, first you need to understand what this test actually does.

An admixture test involves first locating several people who are "representative" of a certain population and testing them to provide comparison samples. So for example, the Great Britain samples would be people whose known ancestry supposedly comes only from Great Britain for several generations, the German one would be people with only German ancestry for several generations. You test as many likely candidates as you can get hold of, and label that "Great British DNA" or "German DNA."

Then you create an algorithm which compares the testee's sample to the various populations.

There are several possible problems with this approach, the most obvious of which is that your results depend entirely on the people you sampled. Let's say you were unable to persuade any Navajo to participate in your sample testing - now you have no Navajo sample population. If you are a Navajo, and you test, it will try to pick the closest thing... which may be very misleading, such as Asian.

Let's say one of your Great Britain samples was a person whose grandpa was secretly the illegitimate baby of a German. Now you have German DNA in your database labeled as Great Britain.

The biggest problem, though, is that the DNA of populations doesn't respect lines on maps. Dublin had a Viking king at one point. Great Britain was invaded by Saxons and Normans. Normans were from France but had Scandinavian blood. Roman soldiers from North Africa went to Great Britain, settled down, and intermarried. Different regions mostly do not have distinctly different autosomal DNA in any time frame which is meaningful to genealogical researchers.

And if by sheer dumb luck you happen to be directly related to someone who was included in the sample population, it will wildly skew your results in favor of that region.

All that your ethnicity results mean is that your personal DNA more closely represents one sample group than another. For some reason, your dad's DNA is closely matching the UK samples - that doesn't mean he doesn't have ancestors from France or Germany, it just means that his personal DNA most closely resembles the samples taken from modern Britain.

Ancestry's admixture calculator will mostly correctly identify an African versus a European, a Jewish person, or an Eastern European. That's about as far as it goes. More specific results are about as accurate as reading tea leaves, and there are not enough Native American or Asian samples to be useful. Throw in the fact that there seems to be actual hoodoo involved - the same person taking the test twice has gotten different admixture results from identical DNA when testing at Ancestry - and it's really not good for much beyond entertainment.

If you're interested, you can download your raw data and upload it to Gedmatch for free. Gedmatch has several different admixture calculators based on different sample populations, and one of them may be more relevant to you.



Siblings only share about 50% of their DNA, so your results can be quite different from your brother's. If you're only interested in your ethnic mix, don't bother - as I said above, for most people it's about as useful as reading tea leaves. If you want to locate cousin matches, though, the more DNA you have, the better. You will have thousands of matches your brother does not. Better than taking the test yourself is getting the older generation done - if your parents or grandparents are living, test them first. They will have DNA in common with an earlier generation which did not get passed down to you.

Regarding private trees and no trees - I have yet to have anyone be offended about being contacted, but people may not answer or may not be helpful. My approach on private trees is to greet them, apologize for contacting them, and ask to trade information. Most people never reply, but some have been helpful.

As for people with no trees - according to Ancestry's report, about 25% of people who take the DNA test were not members when they took it, and took it just for the ethnicity results. Ancestry really markets the ethnicity results, and doesn't really push people to make trees. I have noticed that many of my no-tree matches are African ethnicity, which given that I am white, probably means an even larger percentage overall are Africans - probably testing in hopes of breaking through that pre-1870 barrier and learning something about where in Africa their ancestors came from.

Some no-tree matches are adoptees looking for answers. One of my closest locked matches turned out to be someone whose mom had been a groupie and told her she was the daughter of a famous person. She got the test in hopes of confirming or denying this, and her match list indicates that it's true. I also first learned from her that I was cousins with this famous person, which is kind of cool. Adoptees will mostly be delighted with any help you can give them.

Thanks so much Allie for all the information. I knew it was 100% accurate with ethnicity, but it was something we didn't expect. I didn't realize it depended so much on lab samples of people who purport to be of 'x' origin. You're right that it could utterly screw-up the results of others if some of the lab samples they base it off of are under incorrect assumptions of their heritage!

I figured many people you reach out to would just ignore your invitation to share information. Some people are oddly private about the whole thing. Makes it unfair to those who are using as a research tool to learn and share, but its their right to do so. Thanks, I'll have to upload my DNA to Gedmatch to get more information, didn't realize it was free!
 

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