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I guess Philip Thomas Tucker is a screaming example, but I think he has a mental problem, so he doesn't count. Well, heck, so does Wilson. That kind of fixation on the supposed anti-Southern bent he believes permeates every breath a person takes requires a rather foggy brain.
Speaking of PTT, after the upcoming $9.99 thriller about the Little Big Horn he has a "must buy" on the docket which will tell us everything we don't know about Kings Mountain in 1780. :dance:
 
Considering Abbevillers like to say that Reconstruction made the South "political slaves" in the same breath as praise for American slavery's "benevolence", it makes me think: isn't US "slavery" benevolent too?! :rofl:
You're missing something. That form of slavery is cruel because they don't get free room and board and all that great 12 hours a day of exercise, not to mention they have to deal with things like handling money.
 
You're missing something. That form of slavery is cruel because they don't get free room and board and all that great 12 hours a day of exercise, not to mention they have to deal with things like handling money.
Note that us supposed Southern "slaves" have the freedom to trash our masters, given the amount of bile the Kennedy Twins have published.
 
I guess Philip Thomas Tucker is a screaming example, but I think he has a mental problem, so he doesn't count.

Narcissistic personality disorder would probably explain everything.

That said, to my knowledge, he's not using history to peddle an ideology, unlike the Abbeville folks.

A good editor wouldn't make him the actual "Stephen King of history" (hmmmm...there's an idea for a thread) but it would probably make him a modest success.
 
For my beef:

Abbeville Institute goes about history totally the wrong way. What exactly is "Southern History"? So partisan apologia is history? Not really. And most of it is literal slobbering hagiography for the South at every turn. No matter what White Southerners were always right. And for crying out loud this was 160 years ago; why bother with sectionalism? What is a "Yankee"? All Northerners? Some? I am saying this as a Southerner myself.

Their grasp of history is strained and contradictory. I won't go into all of it but there is far greater evidence for slavery's importance in secession than not. Also they ignore numerous CSA acts of "freedom infringement" and looting, while Lincoln, Sherman and Sheridan are supposedly the worst thing to predate the Austrian Painter.

I have many other beefs but I won't go on.
 
You're missing something. That form of slavery is cruel because they don't get free room and board and all that great 12 hours a day of exercise, not to mention they have to deal with things like handling money.
I also never understood how slavery had 0% to do with secession and yet it was benevolent at the same time. Slavery wins either way!
 
As a note my "non-historian" comment was not an insult to the magnificent work done by lawyers and journalists. But the Republicans-killed-Lincoln thread is a testament to the danger I was talking about!
 
I also never understood why they converted William Faulkner, Shelby Foote, Walker Percy and Robert Penn Warren to their side, considering none of them were unreconstructed. In fact they criticized the obsession with the Southern past the Abbevillers possess in abundance.

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Speaking of PTT, after the upcoming $9.99 thriller about the Little Big Horn he has a "must buy" on the docket which will tell us everything we don't know about Kings Mountain in 1780. :dance:
Narcissistic personality disorder would probably explain everything.

That said, to my knowledge, he's not using history to peddle an ideology, unlike the Abbeville folks.

A good editor wouldn't make him the actual "Stephen King of history" (hmmmm...there's an idea for a thread) but it would probably make him a modest success.
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I also never understood why they converted William Faulkner, Shelby Foote, Walker Percy and Robert Penn Warren to their side, considering none of them were unreconstructed. In fact they criticized the obsession with the Southern past the Abbevillers possess in abundance.

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Edgar Allan Poe is also someone Abbeville has strong admiration for. I read an article just last week about Poe's literary criticism and his defense of Southern writers that was written by a member of the institute.
 
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I never understood why these groups think swinging the pendulum in the extreme opposite direction is supposed to "balance" things out. That SCV guy told Tony Horwitz it is to "ease" the side over closer to a "balance". Yeah right. Nobody preaches this crazy **** unless they believe it.
 
As a confession I actually had a tolerant attitude towards them before, late last year, when I discovered them. You will see some positive comments of mine on a few John C. Whatley reviews (he's actually normal). But after a while of Star-Bellied Sneetch syndrome, I had enough.
 
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There's probably some interesting books that could be written about the Civil War experience of Irish and German immigrants to the South. Maybe Huguenot descendants too: how they had integrated into Southern society since colonial times and their attitudes towards the Scot-Irish obsessed with Ivanhoe.

Just not by Abbeville.
 
Georgia, in spite of its fluctuating antebellum progress in textiles and railroads and whatnot, was probably the most hostile place in the South to European immigrants, especially as they competed with slave employment in the 1840s agricultural depression. According to Chad Morgan's research: "A law in 1845 established a color bar in the building trades. High taxes for hiring slaves followed in 1849 and 1850. When the subsequent resuscitation of cotton prices drew the urban slave population back to plantations, manufacturers and merchants became almost wholly dependent on white workers possessed of a dubious allegiance to slavery." I remember reading an anti-immigrant article published in some Athens paper in 1859 or so, near the peak of Georgia's prewar prosperity, and when Savannah's population was majority foreign-born. Meanwhile, Charleston's institutions, such as the German Friendly Society and the Catholic diocese, achieved notable success in molding their members into prosperous citizens, patriotic Southerners, and committed republicans against the tide of majority prejudice and mistrust, especially in the case of the Irish, which is why John England is a clerical "great man". Much of the same had already been achieved with the Huguenots, many of whom converted to Anglicanism.
 
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