A Question

pattyjo

Sergeant
Joined
Nov 18, 2011
Location
Abbottstown, PA
Tonight is dark and pouring rain here in NC. My question is how in the world did these soldiers march thru the woods on a night like this? Moonlight is a great help Im sure but on a pitch black night .How did they do it? Did they have lanterns? What if the enemy was near? They would give their position away with fire. Did they march only on moonlit nights?

Thanks
Pattyjo
 
Tonight is dark and pouring rain here in NC. My question is how in the world did these soldiers march thru the woods on a night like this? Moonlight is a great help Im sure but on a pitch black night .How did they do it? Did they have lanterns? What if the enemy was near? They would give their position away with fire. Did they march only on moonlit nights?

Thanks
Pattyjo

Nope. Jackson's "Racehorses" marched in everything. So did many others. Falling down in the mud was pretty constant. I've read one account where they basically held onto the man in front of them and slogged along as best they could in the dark. I'm sure someone else can add a whole lot to this.

To add to your question, I've always wondered how Kyd Douglas found his way across the Blue Ridge in pouring rain and dark while taking a message from Jackson to....somewhere...I'm too lazy to get up and find that. :)

And frequently sound would give you away just as much as light. Cavalry coming down the road pretty much sounds like bags with pots and pans being dragged along ;)
 
Thanks, I (at my age) cannot imagine it how they could even know in which direction they were going I also wondered how the horses knew where to step Iv read of men so tired they fell asleep on horseback. It amazes me what these men went thru for our country.
 
And frequently sound would give you away just as much as light. Cavalry coming down the road pretty much sounds like bags with pots and pans being dragged along :wink:

That's how my gg-grandad was injured. He rode in the 6th Il cav, on Grierson's raid. They were moving at a pretty good clip in the dark and in a horrendous torrential rain. One horse slipped and went down hard, causing a massive pile up of horses, men, weapons, everything. GG-grandpa's horse fell on him pinning his left leg underneath and causing him to fall on his sabre scabbard, breaking some ribs. I don't see how that kind of thing didn't happen more often really, with cav units moving at night and in bad weather. "Keep moving, d*mnit!"

Lee
 
Here is Gordon Rhea's account of Francis Barlow's mud march in the middle of the night at Spotsylvania:

quote

"Mendell's route to the Brown house covered about three miles, but judging from descriptions afterward, these were the longest three miles of the war. "Oh, what a dreary, tedious movement it was!" was one officer's summation. Another agreed that "a more dismal night march of two hours was never known." The line wound east behind the 5th and 6th Corps, through fields and forests and over streams and swamps. The night, a participant swore, was "dark as Erebus," and sheets of rain scoured the column. "Mud a la Virginia," another expostulated, "and just as dark as Egypt." Each man sloshed behind his file leader, keeping contact, a soldier maintained, "not by sight or touch, but by hearing him growl and swear, as he slipped, splashed, and tried to pull his 'pontoons' out of the mud." Troops dozed whenever the column paused. "I have never before suffered such acute agony from any cause," an officer insisted after the war. "My eyes would close, do what I would to prevent it; and, in order to escape a fall from my horse, I would lean forward and wind my arms about his neck, but the poor brute's head would invariably sink lower and lower, until I would find myself sliding head foremost toward the earth." A pack mule strapped with cooking utensils rampaged and set some of Gibbon's regiments in flight "as though his Satanic Majesty was after them."

Barlow, Miles, and Brooke rode near the column's head. The engineers who accompanied them were indignant at having to conduct an important movement without information about the enemy's position or strength. Hancock's staff was in an equally foul mood and openly cursed the conduct of the war. Brooke denounced the "madness of the undertaking," and Miles became so outspoken that Barlow ordered him to keep quiet. After a while, however, even the stoic division commander fell under the prevailing spell. "As we staggered and stumbled along in the mud and the intense darkness," Barlow recalled, "and I vainly sought for information, the absurdity of our position - that we were proceeding to attack the enemy when no one even knew his direction, and we could hardly keep on our own legs - appealed to me very strongly." Soon he was snickering with the rest. "It was an exquisitely ludicrous scene," Barlow recounted, "and I could hardly sit on my horse for laughter." He ended up pleading with the staffer Charles Morgan, "For heaven's sake, at least face us in the right direction so that we shall not march away from the enemy and have to go round the world and come up in their rear."

Around 12:30, Barlow's mud-spattered troops began collecting in the spongy fields around the Brown house. "I have since laughed with Colonel Morgan as to his utter ignorance of the whole situation," Barlow wrote. The ground where the attack was to start seemed a "mass of darkness, mud, and rain," and Morgan and Mendell could indicate only the general direction of the Confederate works. Barlow sarcastically asked whether there might be a thousand-foot ravine between himself and his objective. "When he could not be assured even on this point," Morgan related, "he seemed to think that he was called upon to lead a forlorn hope, and placed his valuables in the hands of a friend."

unquote

Source: The Battles for Spotsylvania Court House and the Road to Yellow Tavern, May 7-12, 1864 by Gordon C Rhea, pgs 222-224.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Dj...AKFvInuDQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
That's how my gg-grandad was injured. He rode in the 6th Il cav, on Grierson's raid. They were moving at a pretty good clip in the dark and in a horrendous torrential rain. One horse slipped and went down hard, causing a massive pile up of horses, men, weapons, everything. GG-grandpa's horse fell on him pinning his left leg underneath and causing him to fall on his sabre scabbard, breaking some ribs. I don't see how that kind of thing didn't happen more often really, with cav units moving at night and in bad weather. "Keep moving, d*mnit!"

Lee
Amazing,Thank you
 
I will have
Here is Gordon Rhea's account of Francis Barlow's mud march in the middle of the night at Spotsylvania:

quote

"Mendell's route to the Brown house covered about three miles, but judging from descriptions afterward, these were the longest three miles of the war. "Oh, what a dreary, tedious movement it was!" was one officer's summation. Another agreed that "a more dismal night march of two hours was never known." The line wound east behind the 5th and 6th Corps, through fields and forests and over streams and swamps. The night, a participant swore, was "dark as Erebus," and sheets of rain scoured the column. "Mud a la Virginia," another expostulated, "and just as dark as Egypt." Each man sloshed behind his file leader, keeping contact, a soldier maintained, "not by sight or touch, but by hearing him growl and swear, as he slipped, splashed, and tried to pull his 'pontoons' out of the mud." Troops dozed whenever the column paused. "I have never before suffered such acute agony from any cause," an officer insisted after the war. "My eyes would close, do what I would to prevent it; and, in order to escape a fall from my horse, I would lean forward and wind my arms about his neck, but the poor brute's head would invariably sink lower and lower, until I would find myself sliding head foremost toward the earth." A pack mule strapped with cooking utensils rampaged and set some of Gibbon's regiments in flight "as though his Satanic Majesty was after them."

Barlow, Miles, and Brooke rode near the column's head. The engineers who accompanied them were indignant at having to conduct an important movement without information about the enemy's position or strength. Hancock's staff was in an equally foul mood and openly cursed the conduct of the war. Brooke denounced the "madness of the undertaking," and Miles became so outspoken that Barlow ordered him to keep quiet. After a while, however, even the stoic division commander fell under the prevailing spell. "As we staggered and stumbled along in the mud and the intense darkness," Barlow recalled, "and I vainly sought for information, the absurdity of our position - that we were proceeding to attack the enemy when no one even knew his direction, and we could hardly keep on our own legs - appealed to me very strongly." Soon he was snickering with the rest. "It was an exquisitely ludicrous scene," Barlow recounted, "and I could hardly sit on my horse for laughter." He ended up pleading with the staffer Charles Morgan, "For heaven's sake, at least face us in the right direction so that we shall not march away from the enemy and have to go round the world and come up in their rear."

Around 12:30, Barlow's mud-spattered troops began collecting in the spongy fields around the Brown house. "I have since laughed with Colonel Morgan as to his utter ignorance of the whole situation," Barlow wrote. The ground where the attack was to start seemed a "mass of darkness, mud, and rain," and Morgan and Mendell could indicate only the general direction of the Confederate works. Barlow sarcastically asked whether there might be a thousand-foot ravine between himself and his objective. "When he could not be assured even on this point," Morgan related, "he seemed to think that he was called upon to lead a forlorn hope, and placed his valuables in the hands of a friend."

unquote

Source: The Battles for Spotsylvania Court House and the Road to Yellow Tavern, May 7-12, 1864 by Gordon C Rhea, pgs 222-224.

http://books.google.com/books?id=DjWpgi7WBZ4C&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=egyptian darkness barlow spotsylvania&source=bl&ots=CS_UN7u3Ya&sig=k192WwkEeiqbdVXyu2K_HLtbr5w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TjwOT5LKN6OJiAKFvInuDQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
i will have to read this! TY
 
According to Von Borcke's memoirs (OK, OK), on the withdrawal from Antietam, Stuart was trotting along and urging some wagons to move faster in the dark when his horse slipped in the mud and went down, tossing Stuart underneath a wagon. Fortunately the driver got it stopped in time to avoid running over him.
 
According to Von Borcke's memoirs (OK, OK), on the withdrawal from Antietam, Stuart was trotting along and urging some wagons to move faster in the dark when his horse slipped in the mud and went down, tossing Stuart underneath a wagon. Fortunately the driver got it stopped in time to avoid running over him.

And am I not remembering that for quite a while towards the end of the ride around McClellan he was sleeping on his horse? I keep thinking I recall something about someone describing him with his leg over the front of his saddle and a smile on his face----or am I dreaming?
 
It's a good book! You'll enjoy it.

Oh, horses and mud! Grant almost bought the farm at Belmont when his horse slid clear down the riverbank on its rump! He stayed aboard and got it back up without getting hurt, but the troops on the transport watching thought they were going to be needing a new general! Then Lee - Traveller got spooked by cannon fire in the rain and Lee made a grab for the bridle but missed. Between the horse, the slick mud and the poncho he was wearing, he went down face first and managed to bust both hands just before Antietam!
 

Learn About Us
About CivilWarTalk
Contact the Webmaster
Meet the Staff
Link to CivilWarTalk
Join Our Community
Register
Browse Forums
View Today's Discussions
Search the Forum
Get Help
FAQ
Student Guide
Forum Rules & Etiquette
Copyright / DMCA

     Contact Us CivilwarTalk on Facebook CivilWarTalk on YouTube CivilWarTalk on Twitter RSS Feed

Bringing the American Civil War and More to Life.
© 1999 - , CIVILWARTALK, LLC - Site Version 10.0

SlaveryTalk.com - SecessionTalk.com - CivilWarTalk.com - ReconstructionTalk.com
Back
Top