Trivia 7-18-17 True or False

[FarawayFriend]

Oh my, I found sources for all possible scenarios!
True, False because they met in the Black Hawk War, but had met before as boys and False again, because they never met!

True.
"But Captain Lincoln never gave up anytfalse

half done. He enlisted again. This time he was a private in a company of mounted rangers.
The main camp of the volunteers and soldiers was on the banks of the Rock river, in northern Illinois.
Here, one day, Abraham Lincoln saw a young lieutenant of the United States army, whose name was Jefferson Davis. It is not likely that the fine young officer noticed the rough-clad ranger; but they were to know more of each other at a future time."

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Abraham_Lincoln/The_Black_Hawk_War

False. They had met before, as boys.

https://books.google.de/books?id=07TfLGfOZ6EC&lpg=PA25&

False, they never met
"Even though Lincoln and Davis never met, they are inextricably bound together."
http://lincolnmemory.blogspot.de/2010/01/lincoln-davis-and-beginning-of-war.html?m=1

https://books.google.de/books?id=c7...VAhXDPBoKHXdMBvYQ6AEIMDAG#v=onepage&q&f=false

So as two books say "False", albeit for different reasons, I go with
"False", although I will not decide whether it is false because they never met anyway or it is false because the did not meet for the first time in the Black Hawk War.

 

[JOHN42768]

False
Sources: https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Davis_Jefferson_1808-1889#start_entry
http://deadpresidents.tumblr.com/post/31664411629/did-lincoln-and-jefferson-davis-ever-meet-each

 

[amweiner]

I reviewed several sources, and my honest answer is....I don't know. Varina Davis said that they did meet, other sources say they could have met, but no one conclusively says either yea or nay.

Can we have a third choice? If not, I'll say false as my final answer as there's no conclusive proof.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer.../_Topics/history/_Texts/GANUSA/8*.html#note14

https://cdn.loc.gov/service/gdc/lhbum/7689c/7689c_0146_0165.pdf (see page 7 of this document)

https://books.google.com/books?id=W...VAhULqFQKHbjZCSEQ6AEIVTAN#v=onepage&q&f=false (see note 139)

 

[adisciu9]

False

 

[lelliott19]

Hmmmm. Good question. Ill say FALSE but it sure makes for a good story, doesn't it?
Varina Davis even confirmed it, claiming that Jeff Davis was one of the Lieutenants who swore in the young Abe Lincoln as Captain of the Militia during the Black Hawk War.

https://books.google.com/books?id=q8ExAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=Jefferson+Davis+Abraham+Lincoln+"first+met"&source=bl&ots=2hMQ1_70Dq&sig=vPwtkVyh-nfAt8OVve_vtbB_Jmw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyqPTc4ZPVAhWC7D4KHdXJAgsQ6AEIRTAI#v=onepage&q=Jefferson Davis Abraham Lincoln "first met"&f=false

Seems this story is doubtful though. There is debate over whether Davis even saw action in the Black Hawk War, but he did lead a detachment assigned to guard Black Hawk and some of his warriors. Varina Davis claimed that when the volunteer force was called out, General Winfield Scott was in command of Fort Snelling and dispatched 2 lieutenants (including Jeff Davis) to muster in the Illinois Volunteers. But at the time Lincoln was elected Captain and mustered into the service, it seems that Winfield Scott was not at Fort Snelling. Furthermore, Davis had been with Zachary Taylor at Fort Crawford for some time and did not come from Fort Snelling. https://books.google.com/books?id=mGMDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Jefferson+Davis+Abraham+Lincoln+"first+met"&source=bl&ots=eZl9R_CyTH&sig=aBg6GVcPz73VHC454JXpM0FaA-4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt4tem5JPVAhWFVD4KHZ4MAMs4ChDoAQg9MAY#v=onepage&q=Jefferson Davis Abraham Lincoln "first met"&f=false

Edit - I thought it was interesting that the article reporting that historical societies were hoping to place a boulder marking the spot "where Lincoln and Davis first met" appeared in a volume of the Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society covering parts of 1914 and 1915.

I wonder if that memorial boulder ever did get placed on that spot.

Hoosier

 

[chellers]

credit for question

 

[hoosier]

I'll say false. They both served in that war, but did not meet each other at that time.

 

[captaindrew]

false, they were both there and some stories say they saw each other but likely never met

 

[sarladaise]

True

 

[Jackson'sArm]

True. So says Varina Davis, though there seems to be scholarly skepticism over whether Davis actually administered the oath of allegiance to Lincoln upon his mustering in.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer.../_Topics/history/_Texts/GANUSA/8*.html#note14

 

[Schwallanscher]

as i can't find any positive mentioning of a meeting between the two future presidents during the black hawk war and lt. jefferson davis was on leave for most of that war anyway my answer is NO

 

[ami]

Answer: False
Source: The Library of Congress Civil War Desk Referenc

Edit - The cited source is a book of which I do not have a copy. I am unable to find any links to the contents of that book online, so I am unable to determine what the book said in support of the contention that Lincoln and Davis did not meet (or, at least, did not meet for the first time) during the Black Hawk War.

Several players submitted links to sources indicating that there were some latter-day recollections by third parties, most notably Davis' wife Varina, claiming that Davis and Lincoln met during that war. Although some of those sources go on to say that such claims are highly questionable, they do not conclusively prove that the two did not meet during that war.

But it's clear that the players who found those sources made good-faith efforts to research the question, and it's not their fault that their efforts yielded ambiguous results. So, much as I hate to do it, I will accept both "True" and "False" as correct responses in this case.

I will also give credit for Schwallanscher's answer of "No," since the rest of his response indicates that what he meant was that the statement was false. And since I am giving credit for his response, I will also give credit for Mike Serpa's answer of "No."

However, I do want to make a request that in future, when we have questions asking whether something is true or false, please respond either that it is "true" or that it is "false." Please do not answer "No" and expect me to understand whether you are saying "No, it's not true" or "No, it's not false."

Hoosier