.69 Cal 2 ring shotgun slug?

[BR1]

Hey Guys!
New member here!
I found this slug years ago in N.C. & I am trying to figure out what type it is. It looks close to a Nessler, but this one clearly has 2 rings & a stem on the bottom. It matches up nice to a .69 cal. bullet, so I figure that's what cal. it is. Any Ideas?

 

[BR1]

A few more pics.

 

[VaFredneck]

Type 3 Williams cleaner bullet

 

[BR1]

Did they make those in .69 cal?

 

[JOHN42768]

Hey Guys!
New member here!
I found this slug years ago in N.C. & I am trying to figure out what type it is. It looks close to a Nessler, but this one clearly has 2 rings & a stem on the bottom. It matches up nice to a .69 cal. bullet, so I figure that's what cal. it is. Any Ideas?
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Welcome, enjoy

 

[VaFredneck]

Did they make those in .69 cal?

It was used in 58 cal, your likely not getting a proper cal measurement because of the bullets condition.

 

[Package4]

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Agree with @VaFredneck that this is a Williams bullet and due to the distortion and fairly high impact may present as a larger caliber.

 

[BR1]

Thank you!

 

[R. Porter]

How about a weight comparison between your bullet and a Williams cleaner?

 

[BR1]

Good Idea R.Porter! Here's what it showed, plus some other pictures. The cleaner was 22.2 grams & the slug was 24.1 grams without a disk on the bottom. Also, the high impact seems to be on the flat side of the slug.

 

[CowCavalry]

Could it be a .69 Williams ball?

 

[R. Porter]

From Wikipedia:

According to "Round Ball to Rim Fire part 1" by Dean S. Thomas, in 1863 there is also mention of a .69 caliber version of the Williams bullet, but none were ever purchased by the US Ordnance Department.

Williams cleaner bullet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[VaFredneck]

There is a slightly larger variant 2 ring cleaner that was used in the Agar coffee mill machine gun.

 

[R. Porter]

There is a slightly larger variant 2 ring cleaner that was used in the Agar coffee mill machine gun.

That was mentioned in the Wikipedia article. Weights aren't given in the article, are they listed anywhere?

 

[VaFredneck]

Only in grains, type 3 wgt is 466 grain, the machine gun wgt is 510 grain

 

[Package4]

Good Idea R.Porter! Here's what it showed, plus some other pictures. The cleaner was 22.2 grams & the slug was 24.1 grams without a disk on the bottom. Also, the high impact seems to be on the flat side of the slug.
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Now weigh a Type 2

 

[R. Porter]

Type in "grams to grains" on Google, plug in the slug weight, 24.1 grams and you get 371.92 grains.

For the the above Williams, 22.2 grams gives 342.60 grains.

The slug doesn't have a plunger while the Williams does which will cause a difference.

 

[BR1]

Now weigh a Type 2

I don't have a type 2. Also, those are 3 ringers, correct?

 

[Package4]

I don't have a type 2. Also, those are 3 ringers, correct?

Yes, but there appears to be material beneath the two rings that may have been where a third ring could have been.

There are only a few bullets with a stem, Williams, Tranter, Sharps & Hawkins, immediately come to mind, but of those, only the Williams have the stem inserted like yours.

Edit: Welcome to the Forum!

 

[Mike Serpa]

Welcome!