58 mould wanted

[Ken S]

I'm looking for a Lyman 585-213 mould. It casts a pure lead .585 mini that works very well with my new/old Springfield 1863 made musket. 577's and 580's are too small. I bought the 585-213 from Track of the Wolf and they work great.
the mould is not made any more. anyone have one? I have a lot of Lyman moulds I could trade or just buy this one...
thanks...Ken
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[johan_steele]

I would have suggested Track of the Wolf as a source... have you tried Lodgewood or Dixie as a source?

I may have one but I think it's smaller I'll look when I get home.

 

[Ken S]

Thanks Johan...I've tried everybody...577 578 but nothing in the 584 858 range I need.
The Lyman number was 585 213 and Track of the Wolf, very nice guy by the way, tried hard but he outsources the moulding. His 585 minis work great, but I'd like to cast my own. Dixie, and all the rest only carry current smaller sizes, and I bought Dixies Lee mould 577 for $35. nice but too small.. Still looking...Ken
PS. I would NOT want to be looking at the end with the hole in it of a Springfield .58 1863 musket. bought it from Tom Burness and as usual, his stuff is better than you think when you get it. It grouped 3 inches at 50 yards. not bad at 150 years old. at 100 it kicks up a big clump of dirt just where it's pointed....too much fun......Ken

 

[johan_steele]

My spare mold is a Lyman 575-213CR I thought it was smaller than what you were looking for but it was worth a look. Sorry. I would call Lodgewood and see what they have, they have a lot of stuff that isn't on the website so give them a call. They might also make some suggestions where else you might find one.

I love the 63. I own a Custom M1855 (mix of original & repop parts) which first shots I couldn't even put on the paper when shooting offhand. My father owns a pair of SNWTCY M1863's and they are a gem. Thought I had a problem, tried again a week later off a bench... 5 shot cloverleaf at 100 yards. Offhand, a nice 2-3" group. So it was me, not the rifle. My competition rifle is a EuroArms/Navy Arms (it has both stamps) M1841 set up as a Colt Alteration in .58. I mold a 5745 w/ 60 grains FFG and I love her. For some reason I have the CHS syndrome at 50 yards, but at 100 she's a clay & water bottle killer. I've got an all but unfired M1859 Shiloh Sharps that I can't wait to print on paper... I need to get the proper mold & make up some mini's for her.

I used the M1841 at a 400 yard experiment w/ some friends. We set up a 4' x 8' sheet of plywood w/ 4 outlines filled in. 5 of us volleyed 5 times and we walked up to the target, figured about 10-12 holes in the board... found 25. Not all were in the outlines but all were on the wood... even the misses would have scared the hell out of that line. It has added to my presentations when I can state factually that a man at 400 yards was in trouble to a man who knew how to shoot.

 

[Bob Owen]

I'm looking for a Lyman 585-213 mould. It casts a pure lead .585 mini that works very well with my new/old Springfield 1863 made musket. 577's and 580's are too small. I bought the 585-213 from Track of the Wolf and they work great.
the mould is not made any more. anyone have one? I have a lot of Lyman moulds I could trade or just buy this one...
thanks...Ken
[email protected]

I have one, but cannot part with it. It is the most accurate one that I have. Sorry.

 

[Tin cup]

It totally boggles my mind why Lee Precision, or Lyman do not offer a larger size molds OTHER THAN their .575" ones! Make em over-sized, let folk then size em down to what they need.

Kevin Dally

 

[Ken S]

I have one, but cannot part with it. It is the most accurate one that I have. Sorry.

too bad we don't live closer Bob, I'd borrow the mould and pay for the lead for both of us...but Cape Cod is a long drive for you......Thanks for answering anyway, and if you ever hear of another, please let me know...
You are right, that 585 fits perfectly and is very accurate...
Ken

 

[Jobe Holiday]

Ken S - I would suggest you try Moose Moulds. They are a new mould maker on the scene and have established a fantastic customer approval rating in only one year. If you happen to be a Face Book user you can find them at http://www.facebook.com/MooseMoulds. Or, you can ask them questions about their moulds at [email protected], or call them for info at 267-229-1676. They are very nice people and are willing to work with you for your needs. They are also competitive shooters with the North-South Skirmish Association (N-SSA), so they understand very well the requirements for a high quality mould. I have seen their work and it is suberb!

J.

 

[Ken S]

Thanks Jobe. I just sent them an e mail...Ken

 

[Ken S]

got the mould from a nice guy I met here...thanks all...Ken

 

[Southron]

You can always "Lap" out a mould to increase the diameter of the bullet it casts. It is a fairly simple procedure:

[1] For a Minie Ball Mould: Move Sprue Plate a quarter of an inch or so, so the hole in it no longer alines with the pour end of the mould. You want that end of the mould "Closed."

[2] Flip the mould upside down and put the Base Pin aside. If your mould has a "Floating Base Pin" arrangement, then remove the entire Floating Base Pin Assembly.

[3] Suspend an old flat bladed screwdriver in the mould-MAKING SURE THAT NO PART OF THE SCREWDRIVER CONTACTS THE INTERNAL CAVITY OF THE MOULD.

[4] Then pour in your hot lead into the bullet cavity and let it harden,

[5] Open mould. What you will have is a "Minie bullet" with no base cavity and a screwdriver sticking out of the base of the Minie bullet.

[6] Coat the Minie bullet with "FINE" grit VALVE GRINDING COMPOUND obtained from your local Auto Parts Store.

[7] Re-insert Minie bullet back into the mould. Put mould in jaws of vise to hold it closed (but not too tightly at first.) Then rotate the Minie bullet in the mould. The Valve Grinding Compound will literally "sand" the sides of the bullet cavity and enlarge it.

[8] As the size of your bullet cavity increases, you will have to repeat Steps [1] through [7] several times.

Just go slow and often check the size of the Minie bullet your mould is casting in the muzzle of your rifle as you don't want to enlarge the bullet cavity of your mould too much!

GOOD LUCK!

 

[Tin cup]

You can always "Lap" out a mould to increase the diameter of the bullet it casts. It is a fairly simple procedure:

[1] For a Minie Ball Mould: Move Sprue Plate a quarter of an inch or so, so the hole in it no longer alines with the pour end of the mould. You want that end of the mould "Closed."

[2] Flip the mould upside down and put the Base Pin aside. If your mould has a "Floating Base Pin" arrangement, then remove the entire Floating Base Pin Assembly.

[3] Suspend an old flat bladed screwdriver in the mould-MAKING SURE THAT NO PART OF THE SCREWDRIVER CONTACTS THE INTERNAL CAVITY OF THE MOULD.

[4] Then pour in your hot lead into the bullet cavity and let it harden,

[5] Open mould. What you will have is a "Minie bullet" with no base cavity and a screwdriver sticking out of the base of the Minie bullet.

[6] Coat the Minie bullet with "FINE" grit VALVE GRINDING COMPOUND obtained from your local Auto Parts Store.

[7] Re-insert Minie bullet back into the mould. Put mould in jaws of vise to hold it closed (but not too tightly at first.) Then rotate the Minie bullet in the mould. The Valve Grinding Compound will literally "sand" the sides of the bullet cavity and enlarge it.

[8] As the size of your bullet cavity increases, you will have to repeat Steps [1] through [7] several times.

Just go slow and often check the size of the Minie bullet your mould is casting in the muzzle of your rifle as you don't want to enlarge the bullet cavity of your mould too much!

GOOD LUCK!

NEVER have heard of lapping a bullet mold, just bores on rifles/pistols!
Cool!
Kevin Dally

 

[Southron]

A buddy of mine that shoots on the 3rd Georgia had gone for years and years without ever winning a Medal in the Individual Matches. I just figured that he was one of those skirmishers that shoot just for the Team Events.

Then right after a Nationals I visited him at his home and he proudly showed me both a 50 and 100 Yard Musket Matches he had won at the previous Nationals. He was all smiles!

So I asked him: "Why did you decide to start shooting in the Individual Matches?" His reply: "I have been shooting in them for the past decade....just never won a Medal before."

Somewhat envious I asked him: "So, what is your secret of becoming a winner?"

He smiled and said: "About three months ago I was in the local supermarket at the magazine rack, and there was a gun magazine with an article on how to Lap bullet moulds." "I bought the magazine just for that article."

"So, when I got home I read the article and the next day I lapped my Lyman Minie Ball mould to cast a bullet that exactly matches the bore diameter of my Enfield-then I run the Minie through my Lubi-Sizer so the bullet is then 1 Thou under my bore diameter."

He smiled again and said: "Since then, all my Minies seem to want to go into the X Ring."

Lesson Learned: Sometimes the only thing separating the Winners from the Losers is a decent "Lap Job!"

 

[Tin cup]

A buddy of mine that shoots on the 3rd Georgia had gone for years and years without ever winning a Medal in the Individual Matches. I just figured that he was one of those skirmishers that shoot just for the Team Events.

Then right after a Nationals I visited him at his home and he proudly showed me both a 50 and 100 Yard Musket Matches he had won at the previous Nationals. He was all smiles!

So I asked him: "Why did you decide to start shooting in the Individual Matches?" His reply: "I have been shooting in them for the past decade....just never won a Medal before."

Somewhat envious I asked him: "So, what is your secret of becoming a winner?"

He smiled and said: "About three months ago I was in the local supermarket at the magazine rack, and there was a gun magazine with an article on how to Lap bullet moulds." "I bought the magazine just for that article."

"So, when I got home I read the article and the next day I lapped my Lyman Minie Ball mould to cast a bullet that exactly matches the bore diameter of my Enfield-then I run the Minie through my Lubi-Sizer so the bullet is then 1 Thou under my bore diameter."

He smiled again and said: "Since then, all my Minies seem to want to go into the X Ring."

Lesson Learned: Sometimes the only thing separating the Winners from the Losers is a decent "Lap Job!"

Be real curious as to what the magazine edition was?

Kevin Dally

 

[Southron]

I never saw the magazine or the article, so I have no idea.