1861 Springfield, Real or not?

[Wood-n-Iron]

Hi, I question the oxidation of iron mountings?
I 've seen full patina(brown) and shiny metal(armoury bright) on most pieces.
Is this speckle/ bronze patina just another step taken in oxidation process?
I thank you for any information.

 

[UCVRelics]

Some of it looks like very very light rust. It is iron and if not oiled or wiped down it will rust.

 

[huskerblitz]

I'm watching an auction for the same type, 1862 Model 1861.

 

[Kyle Kalasnik]

Interesting. Very anxious to hear/see more. I know next to nothing about the Springfield 1861.

 

[rob63]

It looks like a very nice example to me. If you look at what appears to be a uniformly brown patina under a magnifying glass it will show a great deal of variation. Also, it is much, much easier to artificially age iron to a uniform brown color than it is to produce this kind of variation. Variation is what you want to see, not something to run from.

Could you post more photos of the gun overall? The general lines overall are the easiest way to spot a reproduction. I really like what I can see in the photos you provided.

 

[Wood-n-Iron]

Hello,
Thank you for your comments.
Here are a couple more photos.
All the best!

 

[RetiredCanuck]

AFAIK all originals were one-piece walnut stock.
Check your stock under the band nearest the trigger guard, to see if there is a seam. That would indicate a two-piece construction joined with dowels.
For sure DGW stocks are made this way.

 

[rob63]

It still looks good to me. In fact, it looks far better than average, condition wise. Please leave it as is! Thanks for showing it.

 

[Kyle Kalasnik]

Very nice Springfield you have there.

 

[Conquerordie]

Looks good, are both cartouches still visible opposite the lock?

 

[Wood-n-Iron]

Thank you everyone. I am learning a great deal hear.
Here's left flat.

 

[Sundance]

Real or not - I have no clue. But I like it. Nice piece of history.

 

[Conquerordie]

Looks good to me, like the others have said. Look just behind the trigger guard, and maybe even in the rammer channel, and you might see other letters or initials.

 

[johan_steele]

She looks like a legit M1861 I'd be happy to have in my collection.

 

[S.Isaacson]

It definitely looks like a legitimate 1861. That brown stuff is likely a coat of old dried oil. You'll find that on a lot of antiques that have had their wood re-oiled.

 

[Wood-n-Iron]

Looks good to me, like the others have said. Look just behind the trigger guard, and maybe even in the rammer channel, and you might see other letters or initials.

Thank -you again to all.
It does have three letter

initials in the channel and also behind trigger guard.
Besides Erskine Allan, the other three are unknown to me.
Any information would help?
Thank you in advance.

 

[Conquerordie]

Now we have to find what they mean! I have and F.H. behind the trigger guard, and a S.B. in the rammer channel. Could be inspectors at different stages of production? Either way, classic Civil War musket.

 

[Present Arms]

This thread has been exceptionally helpful to me. A Springfield M1861 rifle musket dated 1862 that I bought at online auction just arrived. The iron work looks properly old with inspection marks and 1862 stamps, and the stock is one piece with nicely tight fit on the iron. The furniture shows the expected dings and scratches of use, but there are no cartouches or other stamps on the wood. How alarmed should I be about the lack of stamps on the wood?

 

[2ndDEboy]

Hi, I question the oxidation of iron mountings?
I 've seen full patina(brown) and shiny metal(armoury bright) on most pieces.
Is this speckle/ bronze patina just another step taken in oxidation process?
I thank you for any information.

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You gotta show proof markings you can't tell off these two pictures alone

 

[2ndDEboy]

Hi, I question the oxidation of iron mountings?
I 've seen full patina(brown) and shiny metal(armoury bright) on most pieces.
Is this speckle/ bronze patina just another step taken in oxidation process?
I thank you for any information.

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You gotta show more then this can't tell with these two pics