Top Three Corp Commanders?

In a battle situation i agree, there was no one more fierce in battle than japan. But the Germans committed attrocities that is only equaled by Stalin... who IMO is the scariest leader to walk this earth since Genghis Khan.
 
Don't forget--we were fighting Japan at the time, and frankly, they're even scarier.

That's the theater my dad was in - to this day he does not like the Japanese. He was at Tarawa, Eni Wetok, Mindanao and everything MacArthur was in. Nobody can say a bad word about MacArthur in his presence without hearing, "D--n good general!" with the force only a very old man can deliver!

It's interesting about WWII - we could have been the new Rome but didn't do it the expected way. Just made our dollar the world's money!
 
In a battle situation i agree, there was no one more fierce in battle than japan. But the Germans committed attrocities that is only equaled by Stalin... who IMO is the scariest leader to walk this earth since Genghis Khan.

Vlad was a piker compared to Papa Stalin. :cold: Sometimes you wonder if some people's souls missed the connection with their bodies - he's one.
 
Vlad may not have killed as many people as stalin but he was **** brutal. Its just a blessing we havent had a crazy take over our country. we'll at least not that crazy anyway :)
 
If you could create your own army during the Civil War using known commanders of the time who would you use? Think of it as a fantasy civil war team.

Army Command: JB McPherson
1st Corps: John Gibbon
2nd Corps: Joe Mower
3rd Corps: Tom Ransom
Cavalry: .... (I'm stuck. Maybe Wharton? Hampton? Gregg? Forrest?]
 
overall commander: U.S.Grant
1st corps: Elisha Hunt Rhodes
2nd corp:James Longstreet
3rd corp : Sherman
Cav Commander: J.H. Morgan or Buford
 
The reason i picked johnston was because he was amazing at defensive battles, in my opinion better than even Lee or Longstreet. He just wasnt given enough chances to really show his skills. With Gordon and Jackson as the other corp commanders who are known for there agressiveness, i figured they could use someone more cautious and defensive


Johnston did well at Bentonville against overwhelming odds, but I would be a little nervous about him defending static positions like Richmond or Atlanta. I would agree that Joseph E. Johnston would have been a good choice containing Sherman after the fall of Atlanta. Johnston wouldn't have dissipated his armies (as did Hood) and an intact Confederate army would have given Sherman major supply problems as Johnston drew him away from Atlanta. Sherman certainly wouldn't have been able to foraged a 40—60 mile swath with a Johnston led army on his front.

Lieutenant Charles Brown (21st Michigan) describing a Confederate attack on his position at Bentonville: "stood as long as a man could stand and when that was no longer a possibility we run like the duce."

The Battle of Bentonville, 19-21 March 1865
 
Well the thing with Richmond and Atlanta or any city in the confederacy you dont want to have a static defense. The confederates couldnt hold back the federals in a siege situation. I think that is one of the reasons Hood was so aggressive during the atlanta campaign, he knew he couldnt survive a siege. Johnston knew if he could stall sherman and inflict enough casualties then Sherman would have to fall back and regroup his army. Basically the same thing Lee was trying to do in the overland campaign. Lee and Johnston was the only commanders that understood that, that was the only hope they had at that point in the war... stall, inflict heavy casualties, withdraw, repeat.
 
In a battle situation i agree, there was no one more fierce in battle than japan. But the Germans committed attrocities that is only equaled by Stalin... who IMO is the scariest leader to walk this earth since Genghis Khan.
I must respectfully suggest you go back and study WWII and the Pacific war...beginning with Japan's invasion of Manchuria.
 
I must respectfully suggest you go back and study WWII and the Pacific war...beginning with Japan's invasion of Manchuria.
My cousin Nelson survived Iwo Jima, landed on that stinking rock on the first day of that battle, of the men in his company, five men walked off 36 days later, he was one of those five. He went on to retire from the Corps 33 years later as a Major, served in the Korean War and three tours in Nam.
He never talked about his service until one day after his retirement we were visiting my aunts house, I asked him out of all his service our nation, what stood out in his mind.
He replied; "I still have nightmares about Iwo Jima." I said, "those Japs were fanatical fighters."
I will never forget his response, or the way he spoke it, without emotion he said "Yea, and we beat 'em, what does that make us?" We sat there not saying anything for a while, he sipped his scotch and then unleashed thirty years of pent up memories about those 36 days.
War at that level is horrific as nothing we who were not there can comprehend. No book, no movie and certainly no "war game" on a computer can duplicate the experience of being locked in a fight for life like Iwo was. I doubt any Civil War battle would either because of the length of fighting, 36 days, 35 nights, no stopping, sleep and your dead, stand up and die, stay still and be blown up, walk in the sand on the beach with 75lbs on your back and you sink up to the ankles, the smell of rotting flesh, human waste and sulfur mixed with the burning sent of cordite and napalm in a salty fog from the ocean, the roar of mortar, machine guns, air craft, artillery shell, the scream of men dieing and the screams of men killing.
He didn't sleep for the first seven days, crawled from the beach through other men's intestines, watched as men were vaporized by exploding shell and burned alive by flame throwers, dancing while their flesh melted until someone mercifully put them out of their misery. Every night the order was "stay in your fox hole, do not stand up for any reason, if you see anything standing shoot it!" Nelson cried while he said " I don't know how many men I killed, some were Japs, some ...I just don't know, I will never know, and I see them in my sleep, I hate sleeping."
Men shaking from exhaustion, deaf from the roar of endless war, and from seeing so many strange things our minds can not be prepared for, figures moving in the mist of fog and the glare of man made flares drifting under their little parachutes and their orange sometime green glow, and on Iwo, unlike any battlefield created by man or nature, the island itself was alive, it was a volcano. The dead reacted to the heat in strange ways, gasses in the intestines heat up and expand within a hour or two they appear to be anything but a human, as they cook, and as the gases find the place where a bullet or shrapnel has ripped a hole, it races through it and at times it was as if the dead were singing, to many who had not slept in days the chilling song of the dead was just to much.
Iwo Jima was hell incarnate, 70,000 men from two nations on a hot rock in the middle of the ocean with no way out, no retreat, and no place to hide, enemy in front of you, behind you, above you and beneath you, that was if you were on the winning side. Living in a smoldering cave carved out of hot rocks, no hope of reinforcement and knowing you and everymen there was going to die fighting a enemy that didn't know the word "stop." Being bombed, shelled shot at and burned alive by flame throwers while slowly starving to death.
Our enemy was fanatical, we defeated them, what's that make us? RIP Nelson, your time in hell is over...Study history all you want, read every book you can, watch the movies, play video games. You, and I, mercifully will never know what warriors go through unless we live it. Every war has it's own crucible, WWI saw prolonged battles on a scale not scene before or hopefully ever again, our current wars have their own hell.
My picks;
Grant, Sherman, Hancock, Lee in no order.
 
My cousin Nelson survived Iwo Jima, landed on that stinking rock on the first day of that battle, of the men in his company, five men walked off 36 days later, he was one of those five. He went on to retire from the Corps 33 years later as a Major, served in the Korean War and three tours in Nam.
He never talked about his service until one day after his retirement we were visiting my aunts house, I asked him out of all his service our nation, what stood out in his mind.
He replied; "I still have nightmares about Iwo Jima." I said, "those Japs were fanatical fighters."
I will never forget his response, or the way he spoke it, without emotion he said "Yea, and we beat 'em, what does that make us?" We sat there not saying anything for a while, he sipped his scotch and then unleashed thirty years of pent up memories about those 36 days.
War at that level is horrific as nothing we who were not there can comprehend. No book, no movie and certainly no "war game" on a computer can duplicate the experience of being locked in a fight for life like Iwo was. I doubt any Civil War battle would either because of the length of fighting, 36 days, 35 nights, no stopping, sleep and your dead, stand up and die, stay still and be blown up, walk in the sand on the beach with 75lbs on your back and you sink up to the ankles, the smell of rotting flesh, human waste and sulfur mixed with the burning sent of cordite and napalm in a salty fog from the ocean, the roar of mortar, machine guns, air craft, artillery shell, the scream of men dieing and the screams of men killing.
He didn't sleep for the first seven days, crawled from the beach through other men's intestines, watched as men were vaporized by exploding shell and burned alive by flame throwers, dancing while their flesh melted until someone mercifully put them out of their misery. Every night the order was "stay in your fox hole, do not stand up for any reason, if you see anything standing shoot it!" Nelson cried while he said " I don't know how many men I killed, some were Japs, some ...I just don't know, I will never know, and I see them in my sleep, I hate sleeping."
Men shaking from exhaustion, deaf from the roar of endless war, and from seeing so many strange things our minds can not be prepared for, figures moving in the mist of fog and the glare of man made flares drifting under their little parachutes and their orange sometime green glow, and on Iwo, unlike any battlefield created by man or nature, the island itself was alive, it was a volcano. The dead reacted to the heat in strange ways, gasses in the intestines heat up and expand within a hour or two they appear to be anything but a human, as they cook, and as the gases find the place where a bullet or shrapnel has ripped a hole, it races through it and at times it was as if the dead were singing, to many who had not slept in days the chilling song of the dead was just to much.
Iwo Jima was hell incarnate, 70,000 men from two nations on a hot rock in the middle of the ocean with no way out, no retreat, and no place to hide, enemy in front of you, behind you, above you and beneath you, that was if you were on the winning side. Living in a smoldering cave carved out of hot rocks, no hope of reinforcement and knowing you and everymen there was going to die fighting a enemy that didn't know the word "stop." Being bombed, shelled shot at and burned alive by flame throwers while slowly starving to death.
Our enemy was fanatical, we defeated them, what's that make us? RIP Nelson, your time in hell is over...Study history all you want, read every book you can, watch the movies, play video games. You, and I, mercifully will never know what warriors go through unless we live it. Every war has it's own crucible, WWI saw prolonged battles on a scale not scene before or hopefully ever again, our current wars have their own hell.
My picks;
Grant, Sherman, Hancock, Lee in no order.
Our enemy was fanatical, we defeated them, what's that make us?
United States Marines. Nice post.
 
Our enemy was fanatical, we defeated them, what's that make us?
United States Marines. Nice post.
After seven days his platoon, what was left of it, was allowed to go back to a secured area of the beach and to shower with salt water pumped up from the ocean, they ate a hot meal, they slept on cots and they got to swim in the ocean before attending a Mass and services for the dead. How surreal that day was, he told me about hearing the battle rage, ships blasting away, air craft doing bombing and strafing runs, and watched the bodies being laid into trenches while swimming with other Marines that were just for a few hours, teenagers.
The next night a enemy soldier charged the fox hole next to him and slashed three Marines to death with a sword, before the forth one managed to beat him to death with a entrenching tool. Nelson said it was so strange, like watching a old black and white comedy movie, each movement of the participants of the black play unrolling before him were illuminated by the flashes is artillery and mortars muzzles flashes of distant small arms cracking while a small illuminating flare fired from a ship was drifting away on the wind, leaving them again in the dark, the deafening noise of battle that somehow became, to him, silent.
The secret to surviving was to accept the fact that you were dead as soon as you set foot on the beach. The only way, in his mind, that he could deal with the sensory overload and the guilt he felt for surviving each day, was to believe he was dead, locked in an eternal war with other dead men.
 
Would choose Lincoln as my over-all commander, as I feel he saw the big military (and political) picture unlike any other. Second and third choice would be of secondary importance, as long as they listened to Lincoln. :thumbsup:
 
Corp commanders who made the most important changes or improvments in how the army functioned would be IMO
Hunt for the artillery, Rodes for the training and employment of shock troops, and whoever was respondsible for the use of combined army navy forces in the western rivers.
Oh, lakertaker, here's your sign.
 
Leader: Grant
Any of the following as Corps Commander:
Hancock
Longstreet
Thomas
Sherman
Meade
Arty: Hunt of course
Cav: Sheridan, maybe Hampton.
 
For the Cornfeds:

Overall commander: Lee
First Corps: Jackson
Second Corps: Longstreet
Third Corps: Cleburne
Artillery: E. Porter Alexander
Cavalry: Forrest seconded by Wade Hampton

For Los Federales:

Overall commander: Grant

Second Corps: Hancock
Fifth Corps: Thomas
Sixth Corps: Sedgwick
Army of the James: Sherman
Artillery: Hunt
Cavalry: Sheridan
 
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