Ebenezer creek

Davis stranded them knowing what was to happen... He done so at gun point, the slaves had no way out,

So Davis was wrong to think the refugees would be safe with the chivalrous soldiers of the confederacy?
eactly,so quit calling them refugees....they were not forced to leave their plantations.

Let's see what a real dictionary has to say:
"refugee: one that flees; esp: a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution."
Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition

Anyone who flees from slavery is a refugee.
They were refugees.

Maybe you think they should have remained slaves.
 
So the first question must be did Wheeler attack a fortified position or did he charge into a milling mob of scared blacks or both?
 
Davis stranded them knowing what was to happen... He done so at gun point, the slaves had no way out,
My god there is a complete & purposeful lack of understanding about what happened at Ebeneezer Greek from one side. Davis ordered the pontoons pulled prior to the refugees crossing & before he knew Wheelers men were that close. Refugees were neither invited or turned back by the soldiers. US soldiers made an effort to shield the refugees when Wheelers men charged into them but were firing from the other side of the creek and while they did inflict some casualties they were minimal.

Wheeler not only failed to stop the March to the Sea he failed to slow it. All he could do was pick off stragglers, kill bummers and worry the flanks. Estimates range from 3-5ooo refugees were stranded on the wrong side of the creek when Wheelers men made their assault. Those refugees were women, children, the old & the unfirm. Calling them militia or even a threat is... nothing shy of fabrication w/ the ulterior motive of excusing those who murdered them. How many were killed? We will never know for certain but hundreds drowned and herded into the swollen creek to drown, hundreds more were rode down, cut down or shot. If it were US soldiers who had done this we would see those excusing it shouting to the four winds about how evil the US soldier is... which they do already.

Wheeler wasn't in the business of hauling slaves back to their masters, I suspect those who didn't go quickly & eagerly where he told them to simply "disappeared."

What I know after studying this is that anyone named Jeff Davis was a true bastard. I have little respect for Wheeler, for a variety of reasons and this is but one more nail in the coffin. Sherman covered for one of his subordinates, to his everlasting shame. Those US soldiers who tried to cover the refugees and rescued many deserve a note of thanks for their decency.

I often say that the men who did the fighting and dieing were by and large good men; not all that different from us today. Then I see the rabid attempts to smear any and all US soldiers today and in the ACW I get so disgusted.

Sherman was a mad man, Lincoln was evil & Gay the US soldier was the spawn of Satan... good christ what does that say about the people spouting such nonsense?

Interesting that Sherman gets labeled as a war criminal for moving women safely under guard to places of relative safety, yet Wheelers men get a pass for the murder of civilians...
 
Sherman to Halleck 12 January 1865:

"...that ****-and-bull story of my turning back negroes that Wheeler might kill them is all humbug. I turned nobody back. Jeff. C. Davis did at Ebenezer Creek forbid certain plantation slaves- old men, women, and children-to follow his column; but they would come along and he took up his pontoon bridge, not because he wanted to leave them, but because he wanted his bridge.
He and Slocum both tell me they don't believe Wheeler killed one of them...."

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?frames=1&cite=http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ANU4519-0099&coll=moa&view=50&root=/moa/waro/waro0099/&tif=00038.TIF&pagenum=36

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Sherman's Memoirs-

"...On the occasion referred to, the bridge was taken up from Ebenezer Creek while some of the camp-followers remained asleep on the far ther side, and these were picked up by Wheeler's cavalry. Some of them, in their fright, were drowned in trying to swim over, and others may have been cruelly killed by Wheeler's men, but this was a mere supposition...."

http://www.sonshi.com/sherman22.html

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Wheeler's report, Savannah Campaign, 24 December 1864-

"...On the night December 8 we shelled the camp of the Fourteenth Corps with good effect, throwing the corps into confusion and causing it to leave camp at midnight, abandoning clothing, arms. &c. By breaking up the camp during the extreme darkness a great many negroes were left in our hands, whom we sent back to their owners. We also captured three wagons and teams, and caused the enemy to burn several more wagons. The whole number of negroes captured from the enemy during the movement was nearly 2,000...."

[url]http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?frames=1&cite=http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ANU4519-0092&coll=moa&view=50&root=/moa/waro/waro0092/&tif=00430.TIF&pagenum=410[/URL]

Ok then no civilians were hurt by the Confederates and this story is just a mud slinging campaign...Right...
 
Wait, Wheelers men killed unarmed men women and children according to the account and you give them a pass cause they were acting like soldeirs? Theres something wrong with that logic...
exactly... So when Davis cut the ropes, Shermans reply was "He was just being a soldier"....Sounds pretty crazy huh?
 
We've just wasted several pages and much time engaged in "yes he did/no he didn't" foolishness.
 
So you condone what the Confederates supposedly did , killing unarmed civilians is your idea of being a soldier?
The confederates captured more than they killed. Half of the slaves drowned. Just remember the link that started the chain...Davis cut the ropes...Theres no denying that or that he orderd the slaves to stay behind by gun point.
 
We've just wasted several pages and much time engaged in "yes he did/no he didn't" foolishness.
Actually, I think the thread was troll bait from the start and damned fool that I am I contributed. I just couldn't believe someone would consider it acceptable to kill unarmed women & children. Silly me.
 
Actually, I think the thread was troll bait from the start and ****ed fool that I am I contributed. I just couldn't believe someone would consider it acceptable to kill unarmed women & children. Silly me.
troll bain?Thats a negative,sir. I never said it was acceptable to kill any one...
 

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