SCHENKL shell

[2ndDEboy]

Looking to buy a mint condition non fired SCHENKL shell thank you

 

[major bill]

I am a docent at the Michigan History Museum. This is probable not for sale, but it is in fair shape

What if I by mistake broke the glass case?

 

[2ndDEboy]

I am a docent at the Michigan History Museum. This is probable not for sale, but it is in fair shape
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What if I by mistake broke the glass case?

That is not a SCHENKL shell lol

 

[major bill]

That is not a SCHENKL shell lol

Are you sure? Let us wait for some artillery shell experts to chime in. This Schenkl shell is very rare in that it still has its papier mache patch (sabot) attached. The papier mache patch/sabot almost always has fallen apart due to moisture
years ago.

 

[Conquerordie]

That's the only one I've seen with the intact sabot. Awesome to have that in a collection.

 

[major bill]

That's the only one I've seen with the intact sabot. Awesome to have that in a collection.

I have a friend, who collects artillery shells, who claim it is as rare as a hen's tooth and he would love to have it in his private collection.

 

[iron bender]

I concur. That is an incredible shell. This is the best Schenkl in my collection. 3.6"

 

[Gandycreek]

That is not a SCHENKL shell lol

Most certainly is a Schenkl shell and one of the few I've seen with the sabot intact . Great example !

 

[major bill]

Most certainly is a Schenkl shell and one of the few I've seen with the sabot intact . Great example !

While the sabot is not in prefect condition, this may be about as 'mint' as they come.

 

[iron bender]

I don't think I've ever seen one with that complete of a sabot. I've got a recovered shell that's got maybe 30% of sabot left in tact.

 

[major bill]

I don't think I've ever seen one with that complete of a sabot. I've got a recovered shell that's got maybe 30% of sabot left in tact.

I do not know where or how the State of Michigan History Museum obtain this shell. It has been on display for years and years. I do hope the curator is keeping a close eye on it. The glass case is 35 year old technology and it may need to be retired to an storage area where light, temperature and moisture can be strictly controlled. The State of Michigan History Museum was charged by the legislature with two tasks: To run a museum and to protect important Michigan historical items. I am sure at times the two tasks are hard to handle.

 

[iron bender]

What diameter is it? I can't really tell but it looks 4.2

 

[major bill]

What diameter is it? I can't really tell but it looks 4.2

This is in a glass display case and is not fully identified. as a docent. I am not sure I could get a key to open the glass display case. The museum may not have curator capable of adding much more. While our curators are well educated, our military curator is an French and Indian War reenactor. Just how schooled he is in details about Civil War era artillery shells is an open question. Still I believe the State of Michigan is lucky to have this item. As a member of the Company of Military Historians and Collectors, I feel this item might be worthy an article in our journal. Sadly, it is so far out side of my expertise that I am not one who could due justice to an article on this item.

 

[iron bender]

Being that Artilleryman magazine has been around since grasshoppers had fins, it's likely already known. You may consider contacting them though just to make sure. This is a special bullet. Bring it to the Vicksburg show next year. I want to look at it.

 

[2ndDEboy]

I am a docent at the Michigan History Museum. This is probable not for sale, but it is in fair shape
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What if I by mistake broke the glass case?

But do not steal

Are you sure? Let us wait for some artillery shell experts to chime in. This Schenkl shell is very rare in that it still has its papier mache patch (sabot) attached. The papier mache patch/sabot almost always has fallen apart due to moisture
years ago.


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is your paper or lead sabot

 

[Joe Whitworth]

That is not a SCHENKL shell lol

Be polite. You shouldn't yell "not a SCHENKL" when you don't know what you're talking about to someone who obviously does. If you disagree do it gently, not in CAPS. YMMV

 

[2ndDEboy]

Be polite. You shouldn't yell "not a SCHENKL" when you don't know what you're talking about to someone who obviously does. If you disagree do it gently, not in CAPS. YMMV

Dam dude chill out when you don't know what you're talking about

 

[2ndDEboy]

I concur. That is an incredible shell. This is the best Schenkl in my collection. 3.6"

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Do you want to sell this

 

[Joe Whitworth]

Dam dude chill out when you don't know what you're talking about

I know a Schenkl when I see it....

 

[redbob]

When the Confederates attempted to copy or reuse Schenkls, they couldn't copy the paper mache' sabots; so they made them out of wood. These are even rarer than a Union Schenkl with a paper mache' sabot and are usually found only in the Western theater. Also, you can tell a Confederate reused Schenkl by the fact that the fuse has been replaced with a paper fuse holder and the tail has an iron pin inserted to hold the Wooden sabot on. Union Schenkl on left, Condederate Bolt Center and Confederate Shell on right. The main problem with the paper mache' sabot was that it absorbed water and either fell apart or wouldn't fit into the tube of the gun. This was supposedly improved by coating the sabot with shellac to keep the moisture out.