I Hear Richmond's Bells Ringing

[DanSBHawk]

I disagree on the slavery issue. But I don't really want to go through the Scriptures and show what really happened about the Egyptian slavery. But if you read it God did not force abolition on Egypt but rather He took away Egypt's Hebrew slaves and made them His servants/slaves The real kicker what stands out to me is that after coming out of Egypt the Word who was the Spokesman of God (who later came in the flesh as Jesus Christ) told Moses that Israel could have slaves from the heathen around them and these slaves could be passed on down as inheritance to their children. So abolition was not in play with Egypt. God merely took the Hebrew slaves away from Egypt and made them His servants/slaves. I know most will disagree but that's okay. This abolition thing has been beat into everyone's brain. Who am I to dare to stand against the world.

So if there was to be another war and the south won, do you wish to see slaveholding become part of southern culture again?

 

[unionblue]

(Sigh!)

I came here to discuss and debate actual Civil War history.

If I had wanted to hear a sermon or the choir sing, I'd go to a revival or to a church.

 

[John Winn]

(Sigh!)

I came here to discuss and debate actual Civil War history.

If I had wanted to hear a sermon or the choir sing, I'd go to a revival or to a church.

And there's this from our fearless leaders:

• Any discussion that relates to Religion, and does not directly relate to the topic of the American Civil War, is strictly prohibited.

 

[Punxsy]

I put this together today. It is still very rough -- lyrics need some polishing. I am not a musician.

It is about the tragic fall of the American South in their bid for independence and the looking forward to the coming salvation / redemption / restoration by Jesus Christ.

The melody is based on Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" with some of their lyrics(modified) used and some lyrics in the chorus were used from song "With the Sound of Trumpets".

The references to the war are vague/general and the only direct reference to the Confederacy is General Stonewall Jackson's warning to the Southern people:

Our leader in war admonishes to
Trust in God for deliverance
And Give all glory to Him
So our cause will not be ruined

This was taken from the following:

"I am afraid that our people are looking to the wrong source for help, and ascribing our successes to those to whom they are not due. If we fail to trust in God, and to give Him all the glory, our cause is ruined. Give to our friends at home due warning on this subject."
-- Confederate General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, book: Dabney, Robert Lewis, "Life and Campaigns of Lieut.Gen. Thomas J. Jackson, (Stonewall Jackson)" (1866), pp. 107-108.

The arrangement for "Viva La Vida" was from The Petesens' cover was what I listened to as I put it together.
Viva La Vida - The Petersens (LIVE)

Seems like their cause was ruined, for some reason.

 

[Punxsy]

Please don't attack. Thanks.

What attack? We're supposed to interpret the lyrics just as you want?

 

[Tanglewood]

And there's this from our fearless leaders:

• Any discussion that relates to Religion, and does not directly relate to the topic of the American Civil War, is strictly prohibited.

My apologies, I was not aware, but I should have been.

 

[CrossRiver]

And there's this from our fearless leaders:

• Any discussion that relates to Religion, and does not directly relate to the topic of the American Civil War, is strictly prohibited.

I know that but I keep getting "hit" by people and try to brush them off as politely as I can. Thanks for doing what I can't do. Maybe it will stop.

I was hoping for technical help on songwriting but I think the "Jayhawkers" are after me now...

 

[DBF]

I was hoping for technical help on songwriting

As a former piano teacher, if you PM I have a few suggestions.

 

[CrossRiver]

As a former piano teacher, if you PM I have a few suggestions.

Thanks. Never done PM but I will try.

 

[Lubliner]

Thanks. Never done PM but I will try.

Hey sorry about the bittersweet, but we do have a place to continue here with the forum

Religion in the Civil War

civilwartalk.com

Lubliner.

 

[CrossRiver]

I HEAR RICHMOND'S BELLS RINGING

Our land was paradise
Blessed by God became our home
Then a North wind began to blow
Soldiers came blood began to flow

We fought so long and hard
And had our enemies on the run
Tide turned and land was torn
Then we became their spoil and scorn

Once the land was ours to be
Then we were no longer free
We who once held the land
Could no longer take a stand

I hear Richmond's bells a-ringin'
Holy Angelic choirs a-singin'
Jesus is coming, triumphant is He!
Trumpets sounding in regal majesty

Glorious Train of Heaven's Host
Millions Holy Saints Angels
Invincible Jesus Christ
To put down kings and rule the world

Ancient warriors still hold sway
Waiting for the Spirit to make way
Destroying strongholds and castles strong
Avenging the oppressed righting every wrong

Leader of old charged us all
Avoid giving undue credit for help
Trust in God give Him all the glory
So we will not ruin our cause

I hear Richmond's bells a-ringin'
Holy Angelic choirs a-singin'
Jesus is coming, triumphant is He!
Trumpets sounding in regal majesty

Glorious Train of Heaven's Host
Millions Holy Saints Angels
Invincible Jesus Christ
To put down kings and rule the world

O Hallelujah
O Hallelujah
O Hallelujah
O Hallelujah

I hear Richmond's bells a-ringin'
Holy Angelic choirs a-singin'
Jesus is coming, triumphant is He!
Trumpets sounding in regal majesty

Glorious Train of Heaven's Host
Millions Holy Saints Angels
Invincible Jesus Christ
To put down kings and rule the world

 

[unionblue]

ACTUAL HISTORY

Mine eyes have seen the glory of reading actual history,

Why others cannot see it too is an utter mystery,

But I've shaken off my disappointment in a hundred circling posts,

And my search for actual history goes marching on!

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!

Actual History goes marching on!

Now 'they' say that the victors always write the history,

But 'they' never say the losers always write the myths,

But I've heard before that certainty is not proof,

And I've learned that only evidence makes for truth,

And belief is nice for church but it does not make evidence,

History's truth is marching on!

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!

Actual History goes marching on!

I think it could still use some work, maybe a few more verses, but I've got some sources to check.

Until our next post,
Unionblue

 

[Kurtlg]

History is full of those that thought or hoped that God was on their side.

 

[Belfoured]

ACTUAL HISTORY

Mine eyes have seen the glory of reading actual history,

Why others cannot see it too is an utter mystery,

But I've shaken off my disappointment in a hundred circling posts,

And my search for actual history goes marching on!

Glory, Glory, Haileigh! Glory, Glory, Haileigh!

Actual History goes marching on!

Now 'they' say that the victors always write the history,

But 'they' never say the losers always write the myths,

But I've heard before that certainty is not proof,

And I've learned that only evidence makes for truth,

And belief is nice for church but it does not make evidence,

History's truth is marching on!

Glory, Glory, Haileigh! Glory, Glory, Haileigh!

Actual History goes marching on!

I think it could still use some work, maybe a few more verses, but I've got some sources to check.

Until our next post,
Unionblue

When you do, make sure to post it in full at least three times. Right now you're behind 4-1.

 

[Belfoured]

History is full of those that thought or hoped that God was on their side.

No kidding. Looks like we have a candidate in this thread ...

 

[CrossRiver]

Hijack away... or is it Look away...Look away... as in that politically incorrect song....

 

[CrossRiver]

ACTUAL HISTORY

Mine eyes have seen the glory of reading actual history,

Why others cannot see it too is an utter mystery,

But I've shaken off my disappointment in a hundred circling posts,

And my search for actual history goes marching on!

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!

Actual History goes marching on!

Now 'they' say that the victors always write the history,

But 'they' never say the losers always write the myths,

But I've heard before that certainty is not proof,

And I've learned that only evidence makes for truth,

And belief is nice for church but it does not make evidence,

History's truth is marching on!

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!

Actual History goes marching on!

I think it could still use some work, maybe a few more verses, but I've got some sources to check.

Until our next post,
Unionblue

Looks like you are on to something. It still needs a little work. Maybe you can start a thread using this potential top 100 hit and get some constructive thoughts from forum members.

I can't wait to see your final result.

 

[CrossRiver]

Well, I have some happy news for all my "fans" who have shown their unwavering "heartwarming" support in the last day or so.

I talked with a professional sound guy I used to work with and he said:

You cannot use one single verse or anything from another song or you are subject to a lawsuit unless you get the approval from the original artist.

I wonder if Julia Ward Howe had any worries about her song?

"John Brown's Body" (originally known as "John Brown's Song") is a United States marching song about the abolitionist John Brown. The song was popular in the Union during the American Civil War. The tune arose out of the folk hymn tradition of the American camp meeting movement of the late 18th and early 19th century. According to an 1889 account, the original John Brown lyrics were a collective effort by a group of Union soldiers who were referring both to the famous John Brown and also, humorously, to a Sergeant John Brown of their own battalion. Various other authors have published additional verses or claimed credit for originating the John Brown lyrics and tune.

The "flavor of coarseness, possibly of irreverence" led many of the era to feel uncomfortable with the earliest "John Brown" lyrics. This in turn led to the creation of many variant versions of the text that aspired to a higher literary quality. The most famous of these is Julia Ward Howe's "Battle Hymn of the Republic", which was written when a friend suggested, "Why do you not write some good words for that stirring tune?" Kimball suggests that President Lincoln made this suggestion to Howe, though other sources[which?] do not agree on this point.

Numerous informal versions and adaptations of the lyrics and music have been created from the mid-1800s to the present, making "John Brown's Body" an example of a living folk music tradition.
-- Wikipedia: John Brown's Body

Actually, Coldplay had a lawsuit over "Viva La Vida" where they were sued over taking something from a previous song (I believe) -- I think Coldplay won from what the sound guy said.

So, I'm still not giving up. I will only have to live long enough until "Viva La Vida" becomes public domain then I can get back to work. That could take a while.

So leave the light on for me.

 

[unionblue]

Well, I have some happy news for all my "fans" who have shown their unwavering "heartwarming" support in the last day or so.

I talked with a professional sound guy I used to work with and he said:

You cannot use one single verse or anything from another song or you are subject to a lawsuit unless you get the approval from the original artist.

I wonder if Julia Ward Howe had any worries about her song?

"John Brown's Body" (originally known as "John Brown's Song") is a United States marching song about the abolitionist John Brown. The song was popular in the Union during the American Civil War. The tune arose out of the folk hymn tradition of the American camp meeting movement of the late 18th and early 19th century. According to an 1889 account, the original John Brown lyrics were a collective effort by a group of Union soldiers who were referring both to the famous John Brown and also, humorously, to a Sergeant John Brown of their own battalion. Various other authors have published additional verses or claimed credit for originating the John Brown lyrics and tune.

The "flavor of coarseness, possibly of irreverence" led many of the era to feel uncomfortable with the earliest "John Brown" lyrics. This in turn led to the creation of many variant versions of the text that aspired to a higher literary quality. The most famous of these is Julia Ward Howe's "Battle Hymn of the Republic", which was written when a friend suggested, "Why do you not write some good words for that stirring tune?" Kimball suggests that President Lincoln made this suggestion to Howe, though other sources[which?] do not agree on this point.

Numerous informal versions and adaptations of the lyrics and music have been created from the mid-1800s to the present, making "John Brown's Body" an example of a living folk music tradition.
-- Wikipedia: John Brown's Body

Actually, Coldplay had a lawsuit over "Viva La Vida" where they were sued over taking something from a previous song (I believe) -- I think Coldplay won from what the sound guy said.

So, I'm still not giving up. I will only have to live long enough until "Viva La Vida" becomes public domain then I can get back to work. That could take a while.

So leave the light on for me.

Research can be such a downer.

 

[Kurtlg]

To whom does the line "Our land was a paradise " refer ? The planter class ? The wealthy merchant class ? Certainly not to the enslaved or the working poor . You are entitled to your beliefs but a paradise seems to be a reach .