Common Misconceptions/Myths

One of my absolute favorite "myth-busting" books is Earl J. Hess' study:

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I highly recommend it.
 
The myth: battle casualties were extremely heavy. @Saphroneth states they were not, they were typical of Napoleonic battles, and even somewhat low. Reality: the main causes of death and disability were disease, caused by poor camp engineering, lack of sanitary discipline, and extremely poor army diets.

Wish I could like this more than once.
 
Which has kinda become the situation with this topic. Which is a sad reality of discussing the ACW. It's far too common for a topic to go like this:

Guy posts something about the Civil War where the South isn't squeaky clean.
Other guy retaliates with finger pointing, extra points if the finger pointing immediately goes towards Sherman and his March to the Sea.
Original guy retaliates with other finger pointing.
Whole topic devolves into finger pointing, ignoring facts or conflating realities to make the other side the less virtuous of the two.

We are perhaps one of the few historical communities where every topic is up for debate and every issue becomes an ideological battleground.
It's a reason I generally don't venture too much into any thread that isn't specifically related to a specific event or person, I don't have time to deal with such childish nonsense (which it really is).

Agreed. I tend to stay out of it because nothing gets accomplished.
 
One of my absolute favorite "myth-busting" books is Earl J. Hess' study:
Oh, absolutely, the rifle's value in Civil War combat has been vastly overstated.

Based on statistical analysis of engagements in the Civil War the possession of a rifle versus a musket on the part of either side is not statistically significant; the weather is statistically significant, which means that if Jonny Reb has a smoothbore and Billy Yank has a rifle then Jonny shouldn't be unduly worried - and if the weather's too hot (IIRC it's that way around) then Billy is the one who should be careful.


This is basically because of the training issue. To use even a smoothbore musket to the limits of the ability of the firearm is a matter of training, and that training was never given in any kind of systematized way in at least the Union army (where we have data indicating that thousands of the men of 5th Corps as of late 1864 had never so much as practice-fired their muskets once); a rifle-musket has a much higher ceiling of effectiveness than a smoothbore, but if you use it like a smoothbore you get smoothbore performance out of it.

If you're familiar with Napoleonic combat, and with pre-Napoleonic combat, and you look at the Civil War, what you mostly see is pre-Napoelonic combat (lines of infantry, broad-front advances, comparatively little interarms cooperation) with occasional flashes of Napoleonic battle methods like Upton; the tactics are somewhat better and see some attempts at manoeuvre sur les derriere or the break-through the centre but the articulation of the forces is poor.
This is not a slight on the men of the armies (who were never trained in the Napoleonic or post-Napoleonic battle techniques) or indeed the officers (who were too busy trying to work out how to run a six-figure army size from a standing start), but the idea that the Civil War is the war which prefigures modern combat is certainly not the case - if anything it's a throwback, though by no means is this the case in all respects.
 
That wasn't her house, her name is not Jenny, her nickname wasn't even Jennie.... she actually lived up the street and may have been thought of as a little ****ty ? Good lord.

That's a pretty good example of a myth (and fun to read!) I guess one lesson is that the stories we hear are pretty much always more complicated than we realize...

Roy B.
 
A bunch of Yankees running around yelling huzzah or hurrah must have been truly terrifying. 🙄

This was posted by SWMODave on a different thread.

from Personal Recollections of the 18th Missouri [at the siege of Atlanta]

There was another ___ custom, which lasted a short time. Just about dark a "cheer" or "huzzah" would start on the extreme left and would run down the line like wild fire, regiment after regiment taking it up as quickly as the sound reached them. Then all would be quiet for half an hour or so and back it would come, having gone the whole length of the line, and returned. It let the 'Johnnies' know that we were there, without the necessity of reconnoitering.



This had to be at the very least unsettling.
 
This was posted by SWMODave on a different thread.

from Personal Recollections of the 18th Missouri [at the siege of Atlanta]

There was another ___ custom, which lasted a short time. Just about dark a "cheer" or "huzzah" would start on the extreme left and would run down the line like wild fire, regiment after regiment taking it up as quickly as the sound reached them. Then all would be quiet for half an hour or so and back it would come, having gone the whole length of the line, and returned. It let the 'Johnnies' know that we were there, without the necessity of reconnoitering.

Sounds like those Johnny's were scared.

This had to be at the very least unsettling.
 
So I think there's something which is less a myth and more a misconception, which is that often people don't quite seem to understand that battles develop from operations and operations develop from strategy (rather than happening because there are two military forces and they sort of just collide at an appropriate time).

In keeping with this, I think there's a tendency to see battles as basically an exercise in trying to win by doing more damage to the enemy, or in trying to win the battle without regard for the wider strategic situation, and this in turn leads to a misunderstanding of how a commander's intent doesn't always translate directly into what actually happened.

For example, Lee's attacks at Gettysburg (aside from those on Day One which sort of just develop from the operational situation as much as anything) are in keeping with Napoleonic principles - the attack en echelon, or the manoeuvre sur la derriere, or the engagement on the flanks followed by breaking through the centre. In all cases what Lee is trying to do is to threaten Meade's force with danger in order to draw out Meade's reserves followed by a dangerous blow to which Meade (with depleted reserves) cannot react; this makes Pickett's Charge from inexplicable or bull-headed into what it was, which was a serious and reasoned attempt at modern battlefield tactics which failed because it was a roll of the dice and those are not certain.
 
They obviously thought their homes, livelihoods, health, happiness, etc etc were in danger under the existing form of govt, enough so that they were willing to take up arms.
The initial causes of the rebellion are complex, but initially they had nothing to do with wanting to install a Republic. The belief was that they were loyal and Parliament was not; this is why they initially appeal to the King, and indeed why there is significant consideration given to making a new King in America rather than establishing a Republican form of government.
 
The initial causes of the rebellion are complex, but initially they had nothing to do with wanting to install a Republic. The belief was that they were loyal and Parliament was not; this is why they initially appeal to the King, and indeed why there is significant consideration given to making a new King in America rather than establishing a Republican form of government.

Which is why some of them were so shocked at the response to the Olive Branch Petition.
 
Which is why some of them were so shocked at the response to the Olive Branch Petition.
Yes, though it's also possible to understand the King's point of view - after all, as far as he was concerned the Crown had spent an enormous amount of money on prosecuting a war fought partly in their protection and now they were complaining about having to pay a little tax to recoup that cost.

The situation was, of course, complicated, and most people feel they have good reasons for the decisions they make most of the time; those reasons aren't necessarily well-reasoned but they make sense to the person (and if made for emotive reasons the emotions are real).
Despite how self-reflective PoV characters are portrayed, rare indeed are the people who think "We're doing the wrong thing" but persist in doing it (much more common is rationalization); this is one reason I'm often inclined to cut historical figures a little slack even when they have views we would not like.

It's not unlimited, though.
 
They obviously thought their homes, livelihoods, health, happiness, etc etc were in danger under the existing form of govt, enough so that they were willing to take up arms.
Not Southern whites who didn't own slaves or owned slaves and rightly determined the secessionists were stupid. It would be more accurate to say based on actual enlistment rates of Confedrate soldiers that does who owned slaves or supported the interests of slave owners favored secession not that they were " defending their homes". Certainly Southeners of color didn't feel their homes were being threatened.
Leftyhunter
 
Not Southern whites who didn't own slaves or owned slaves and rightly determined the secessionists were stupid. It would be more accurate to say based on actual enlistment rates of Confedrate soldiers that does who owned slaves or supported the interests of slave owners favored secession not that they were " defending their homes".
I was referring to the Revolution. But it applies equally well for the ACW.
Certainly Southeners of color didn't feel their homes were being threatened.
Leftyhunter
How can you be so sure? Why do you presume to speak for an entire people when you chastise others for the same thing? Going back to your first quoted statement, how did the Americans of color feel about the Revolution? Can you speak for them here as well?
 
Agreed. I tend to stay out of it because nothing gets accomplished.
Also @Harms88 ,
All wars are based on politics and no civil war in any nation starts in a vacuem and by no means are political issues solved once the fighting ends. Very few nations are politically united and the USA was never in the catagory of a nations that didn't have sharp political and racial divides. Or has Falkner said " the past is not even past".
Leftyhunter
 
I was referring to the Revolution. But it applies equally well for the ACW.

How can you be so sure? Why do you presume to speak for an entire people when you chastise others for the same thing? Going back to your first quoted statement, how did the Americans of color feel about the Revolution? Can you speak for them here as well?
If tens of thousands of men of color fought for the Confedracy or became Confedrate guerrllas you would have a point. Almost two hundred thousand men of color enlisted in the Union military and not just as cook and musicians. How many free men of color in the North fled to join the Confedrate Army.
Leftyhunter
 
In keeping with this, I think there's a tendency to see battles as basically an exercise in trying to win by doing more damage to the enemy, or in trying to win the battle without regard for the wider strategic situation, and this in turn leads to a misunderstanding of how a commander's intent doesn't always translate directly into what actually happened.

This makes a lot of sense. You use the example of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg. I wonder whether this idea also applies to Grant's direction of repeated frontal assaults at Cold Harbor. In other words, Cold Harbor wasn't just an isolated clash of armies, but it was part of a campaign and a strategy of attrition and continuous contact, which over time bottled up the enemy?

Roy B.
 

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