Grant Not impressed with Grants performance

[JerseyBart]

Winners usually impress me.

 

[Jimklag]

Lee could have beaten Grant if he had abandoned Richmond in May/June and drawn him away from his supply base at city point. The key for Lee was not get pinned down in trenches but keep bleeding AOTP. Even the northern public had a breaking point.

If Lee is at Mine Run on the Rapidan, how does he draw Grant away from City Point? A

 

[Jimklag]

Lee could have beaten Grant if he had abandoned Richmond in May/June and drawn him away from his supply base at city point. The key for Lee was not get pinned down in trenches but keep bleeding AOTP. Even the northern public had a breaking point.

If Lee is at the Rapidan waiting for Grant, how does he draw Grant away from City Point? Or why would he want to? Grant was getting his supplies from his north during May and June until in the Petersburg lines. City Point wasn't evenoccupied by Federal troops until 5 May, 1864 when a couple regiments of USCT moved in.

 

[Gene Green]

If Grant's performance was less than impressive, what does that say of Lee ?
IMHO Grant was a methodical gambler who maintained the " House Edge" even at times without supply lines. He played the table and recognized it's odds.
By contrast Lee was splitting face cards and at times doubling down on them. When he was lucky he was declared "brilliant" and when he lost it was because of a lost cause.
"it was the dealer, no pushes, they changed the dealer, too many decks in the shoe, blah blah blah"
If Lee was seated next to me at a blackjack table i would probably get peeved and change tables, after a few choice expletives.

 

[Hoseman]

Gary Gallagher one of the foremost Civil War historians, teacher, mentor and speaker considers Grant to be one of the five greatest American generals....the others are Washington, Scott, Eisenhower and Marshall. That's quite impressive company.

If he left Lee out of his top five then his opinion is null & void in my opinion.

 

[dlofting]

If he left Lee out of his top five then his opinion is null & void in my opinion.

He left Lee out because he was fighting for the Confederacy when he achieved greatness. Gallagher was talking about generals who fought for the United States.

 

[Jimklag]

He left Lee out because he was fighting for the Confederacy when he achieved greatness. Gallagher was talking about generals who fought for the United States.

I have read and listened to and watched Gary Gallagher a lot. He does call the "Union" army the United States Army. Bless him for that. Gallagher, Steve Woodworth, Allen Guelzo and James I. Robertson are my favorite ACW lecturers.

 

[Rebforever]

If Grant's performance was less than impressive, what does that say of Lee ?
IMHO Grant was a methodical gambler who maintained the " House Edge" even at times without supply lines. He played the table and recognized it's odds.
By contrast Lee was splitting face cards and at times doubling down on them. When he was lucky he was declared "brilliant" and when he lost it was because of a lost cause.
"it was the dealer, no pushes, they changed the dealer, too many decks in the shoe, blah blah blah"
If Lee was seated next to me at a blackjack table i would probably get peeved and change tables, after a few choice expletives.

Lee would probably left before you did.

 

[JerseyBart]

If he left Lee out of his top five then his opinion is null & void in my opinion.

Yeah, I'll go will with Mr. Gallagher on this one.

 

[Gene Green]

Lee would probably left before you did.

Thank you, thank you very much, thank you. I'll be here all week.

 

[CSA Today]

mighthave been worth consideration before starting the bloody mess, wouldn't it? was a certain jeff davies not minister of war and should have known about stuff like that?

There had not been a tradition of such timidity in this country especially not in South. One could wonder at the configuration of the world today had many of their founding leaders dared not take the risk.

 

[CSA Today]

Lee would probably left before you did.

If Grant's performance was less than impressive, what does that say of Lee ?
IMHO Grant was a methodical gambler who maintained the " House Edge" even at times without supply lines. He played the table and recognized it's odds.
By contrast Lee was splitting face cards and at times doubling down on them. When he was lucky he was declared "brilliant" and when he lost it was because of a lost cause.
"it was the dealer, no pushes, they changed the dealer, too many decks in the shoe, blah blah blah"
If Lee was seated next to me at a blackjack table i would probably get peeved and change tables, after a few choice expletives.

Lee at a blackjack table is not the best analogy, while Lee often had no choice but to take chances with his smaller army he wasn't playing a game.

 

[Schwallanscher]

Lee at a blackjack table is not the best analogy, while Lee often had no choice but to take chances with his smaller army he wasn't playing a game.

of course not - if i get you right the gambler was jeff davies and rightfully so

There had not been a tradition of such timidity in this country especially not in South. One could wonder at the configuration of the world today had many of their founding leaders dared not take the risk.

all those dead are on good old jeff for being a lousy poker player?

 

[CSA Today]

of course not - if i get you right the gambler was jeff davies and rightfully so



all those dead are on good old jeff for being a lousy poker player?

Davis could have played it safe and folded at the first sign of US aggression, but that would have betrayed the Southern yearning for a nation of their own. At least the upside of not showing the white feather was that at the end of it all there were over 360,000 fewer Yankees to plague the continent.

 

[Schwallanscher]

Davis could have played it safe and folded at the first sign of US aggression, but that would have betrayed the Southern yearning for a nation of their own. At least the upside of not showing the white feather was that at the end of it all there were over 360,000 fewer Yankees to plague the continent.

- no comment -

 

[Jimklag]

Davis could have played it safe and folded at the first sign of US aggression, but that would have betrayed the Southern yearning for a nation of their own. At least the upside of not showing the white feather was that at the end of it all there were over 360,000 fewer Yankees to plague the continent.

You're joking, right? If so, you're sick.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

Lee at a blackjack table is not the best analogy, while Lee often had no choice but to take chances with his smaller army he wasn't playing a game.

This post had me momentarily concerned that someone had "slipped" something into your morning grits. And then...

Davis could have played it safe and folded at the first sign of US aggression, but that would have betrayed the Southern yearning for a nation of their own. At least the upside of not showing the white feather was that at the end of it all there were over 360,000 fewer Yankees to plague the continent.

back to the CSA we know and love.

 

[CSA Today]

You're joking, right? If so, you're sick.

Yeah, I was a bit nauseated at Schwallandsher's notion to blame "all those dead" on Jefferson Davis.

 

[Jimklag]

Yeah, I was a bit nauseated at Schwallandsher's notion to blame "all those dead" on Jefferson Davis.

Really? That's you're take on my post? Shame on you.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

This post had me momentarily concerned that someone had "slipped" something into your morning grits. And then...



back to the CSA we know and love.

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