Custer Yellow Hawk

Pollaco

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Read an interesting story by an Indian Chief named Red Fox last night. In this story he tells of Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle's 14 year old daughter getting raped by George Custer. The birth of a baby boy was the result. He was named Yellow Hawk. Is here any truth to this story?
 
Read an interesting story by an Indian Chief named Red Fox last night. In this story he tells of Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle's 14 year old daughter getting raped by George Custer. The birth of a baby boy was the result. He was named Yellow Hawk. Is here any truth to this story?
I have never heard anything like this, however, I've never done in depth research of Custer's life. I did do a quick surf of the internet after reading your post.

This article refers to a Cheyenne woman who considered Custer to be her husband and who had a son named Yellow Swallow

https://ictnews.org/archive/did-custer-have-a-cheyenne-mistress-and-son-native-oral-history-says-yes

Wikipedia has an entry for the daughter of Cheyenne chief Little Rock who had a son named Yellow Bird by a white soldier named Long Hair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo-nah-se-tah

Both sources seem to be based on the same interview of an Indian brave. I am not sure what other sources there might be or what a careful analysis of these accounts might suggest.
 
Yellow Hawk, Yellow Swallow, and Yellow Bird, it sounds like there might be something to that story though details differ.The chief who told the story (on Facebook) was only something like 6 years old at the time of the Battle of Little Bighorn. I don't recall exactly but I think he was Sitting Bulls nephew.
 
An interesting claim.

To begin. Am no fan of George Custer.

Am supposing the allegation relates to an incident during the Washita River action (on Nov. 27, '68) or in its immediate aftermath.

But have not read any participant accounts that mention, or even imply, that any such act was perpetrated by Custer at Washita River or thereafter.

Noteworthy, in Custer's own published work, 'My Life on the Plains or Personal Experiences with Indians ', at the close of the Washita action he recalls an incident in which he encounters an assembled group of captured squaws. Among this group was a dominant squaw, the sister of Black Kettle, who attempted to marry Custer to a selected young squaw present (that Custer says was probably 17 years of age) in order to gain favorable treatment for the captives. Apparently an unknowing Custer, not wanting to upset his captives, willingly participated in the Indian marriage ceremony that was conducted. According to Custer, it was not until afterwards that he found out what had happened, whereupon he claims to have declined to continue with the arrangement. (See My Life on the Plains: Or, Personal Experiences with Indians : George Armstrong Custer : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive pp. 170-172).

Is it possible that this particular told event may have somehow got distorted as the oral history was relayed over time and across generations among the Indian community, resulting in the later claim that was made by Red Fox?
 
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Is it possible that this particular told event may have somehow got distorted as the oral history was relayed over time and across generations among the Indian community, resulting in the later claim that was made by Red Fox?
Is it possible that Custer had some sort of relationship with this Indian girl that he then tried to cover up? He wouldn't be the first married military commander with a shady incident involving a young Native American girl (consider Sir Thomas Dale in Virginia, for example.) At this point in this thread we do not know. Additional research is necessary with evidence and testimony evaluated on its own merits.
 
I've plenty of books about LBH and Custer, I remember having read somewhere that story of indian bride ,possibly in "Son of the plains", which is partial fiction, and may be in a collection of natives testimonies, one among them saying that Custer's body was spared (wich is false) because he had an indian "wife".
 
Is it possible that Custer had some sort of relationship with this Indian girl that he then tried to cover up? He wouldn't be the first married military commander with a shady incident involving a young Native American girl
In his account, Custer gave no indication or hint of this eventuating.

According to Custer, he says at p.172:-

...'And while cherishing these friendly feelings and desiring to do all in my power to render oor captives comfortable and free from anxiety regarding their future treatment at our hands, I think even the most strenuous and ardent advocate of that peace policy which teaches that the Indian dioiild ho left free and unmolested in the gratification of his simple tastes and habits, will at least not wholly condemn me when they learn that this last touching and unmistakable proof of confidence and esteem, offered by Mah-wis-sa (Black Kettle's sister) and gracefulIy if not blushingly acquiesced in by the Indian maiden, was firmly but respectfully declined. The few reasons which forced me to deny myself the advantages of this tempting alliance were certain circumstances over which I then had no control, among which was a previous and already solemnized ceremony of this character, which might have a tendency to render the second somewhat invalid. Then, again, I had not been consulted in regard to my choice in this matter— a trifling consideration, but still having its due influence. I had not had opportunities to become acquainted with the family of the young damsel who thus proposed to link her worldly fate with mine. Her father's bank account might or might not be in a favorable condition. No opportunity had been given me to study the tastes, disposition, or character of the young lady— whether she was fond of music, literature, or domestic duties. All these were questions with which I was not sufficiently familiar to justify me in taking the important step before me, I did not, however, like certain candidates for office, thrice decline by standing up, and with my hand pressed to my heart say. " Your husband I cannot be "; but through the intermediation of Romeo, the interpreter, who from tfie first had been highly entertained by what he saw was an excellent joke on the big chief, and wondering in his own mind how I would extricate myself without giving offence. I explained to Mah-wis-sa my due appreciation of the kindness intended by herself and her young friend, but that according to the white man's laws I was debarred from availing myself of the offer, at the same time assuring them of my high consideration, etc. Glad to get away to duties that called me elsewhere, I left with Romeo (Custer's scout and interpreter).'...

In this self-account, Custer emphatically states he denied himself this 'tempting alliance' (using his words) because he was already married and unfamiliar with his would-be partner's disposition and situation.

But knowing his character, can Custer be believed that he did not have physical relations with this young native American girl (whose age could have been less than Custer's stated estimate of 17 years)?
 
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In this self-account, Custer emphatically states he denied himself this 'tempting alliance' (using his words) because he was already married and unfamiliar with his would-be partner's disposition and situation.

But knowing his character, can Custer be believed that he did not have physical relations with this young native American girl (whose age could have been less than Custer's stated estimate of 17 years)?

That is the question! While Custer seems to laugh off an uncomfortable position in true situation comedy fashion, in the past several years it has been made very clear that men of position and integrity may not be what we believe and it would serve us well to view such stories more carefully.
 
Actually, I think the story is true. The Wikipedia article on Monesetah is pretty complete, and contains is well-footnoted, including Robert Utley and Jeffrey Wert among the sources. Custer fancied himself an Indian collector, student and expert and I find a relationship to be competely within the bounds of his character. The article suggests that Robert Utley feels that Tom Custer may have been the father instead of Autie.
 
Actually, I think the story is true. The Wikipedia article on Monesetah is pretty complete, and contains is well-footnoted, including Robert Utley and Jeffrey Wert among the sources. Custer fancied himself an Indian collector, student and expert and I find a relationship to be competely within the bounds of his character. The article suggests that Robert Utley feels that Tom Custer may have been the father instead of Autie.
There's a book about her life Monahsetah - The Life of a Custer Captive
I think it could probably be a really interesting read
 
Moving back to the first post (from Polloco), he mentions "Yellow Hawk", which might be correct anyway.
Do you remember that Cheyenne chief called Yellow Hand ? He was involved in a single fight against Buffalo Bill ("The first scalp for Custer"), he was in fact knowed under the name of Yellow Hair, it seems that translation problems often happened with native's names.

The painting of that famous event par C.M.Russell.

A59.jpg
 
I always thought that George was probably sterile
I agree. Custer wore a truss which may have been to help with pain caused by a urology problem. He and Libby were also childless in an age when most couples were not.

So I'm inclined to believe the story of an extramarital affair but not the existence of a child as a result of it.
 
There are similarities but that part of a sterile Custer negates a bunch of this story. The Indians called the soldier who supposedly was the father "Long Hair". How long was Tom Custer's hair?
 
There's also that : don't know how much it's reliable, they even show a picture of the "son".
It certainly would not be shocking if tom or George fathered a child out there. I read crazy horse and Custer recently which was an entertaining book even though I do not normally like Ambrose but he pretty much discounts the whole thing
 

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