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PeterT

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I took this photo during a dawn visit to Devils Den with @War Horse, @Bee and @Frums at the September get together. Carved into one of the rocks there. Just wanting to know if any of our Gettysburg experts know anything about it?

The surname could "B . .SK"? Then I thought it could be "BROCK"? Paging @pamc153PA, @Gettysburg Greg, @Tom Elmore, @rpkennedy @cash .......


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I took this photo during a dawn visit to Devils Den with @War Horse, @Bee and @Frums at the September get together. Carved into one of the rocks there. Just wanting to know if any of our Gettysburg experts know anything about it?

The surname could "B . .SK"? Then I thought it could be "BROCK"? Paging @pamc153PA, @Gettysburg Greg, @Tom Elmore, @rpkennedy @cash .......


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John Besk, company F 6th U.S. Cavalry ????

Gettysburg after battle report:
Report of Capt. George C. Cram, Sixth U. S. Cavalry.

Camp near Aldie, Va., June 23, 1863.
Sir: I have the honor to transmit the following report of the part
taken by the Sixth U. S. Cavalry in the operations of June 21:

The regiment marched before breakfast from its position on picket
near Aldie, in the brigade column, and, crossing Goose Creek, was
employed at different portions of the day, with the rest of the brigade,
as a supporting reserve until reaching the slopes on the hither
side of Upperville, when, forming squadron and advancing for some
time at a trot, it was suddenly called on to defeat an effort of the enemy
on our left flank, the volunteer cavalry at this time being engaged
with the enemy in front of us. Instantly breaking from its
formation in column of squadrons, and passing through a narrow gap
in a stone wall, and reforming on the other side, as well as the time
allowed it and the circumstances and ground would permit, moved
immediately forward, and, on the command being given, charged
up to the enemy, under a harassing artillery fire and over a long
stretch of heavy and marshy ground, intersected by a most difficult
ditch and terminating in a hill of plowed ground, beyond which, on
the firm ground in the edge of the woods, the enemy in large force
awaited it. The charge was unsuccessful, the most of the horses
being so blown that it was impossible to bring or keep them for such
a distance at a charging pace.

On the regiment rallying and reforming on the nucleus of the
second squadron, commanded by Capt. Claflin, on more favorable
ground, the enemy being within easy reach and everything favorable
for a successful charge, for which it was then preparing, the regiment
was then ordered to dismount and fight on foot, and was used
dismounted, under the cover of stone walls, to protect our left flank,
the enemy retiring at the same time into the woods on our front.

On being relieved from this position, and the engagement having
terminated, it moved in column of squadrons, with the rest of the
brigade, through the woods and toward the entrance of Ashby's Gap,
till it succeeded in attracting the fire of the enemy's artillery, when
it was withdrawn, and went into bivouac on the hither side of the
town of Upperville.

The regiment marched out 12 commissioned officers and 242 enlisted
men strong.

Its casualties were Second Lieut. Henry McQuiston, severely
wounded. Privates John Might, of Company E, slightly wounded;
C. F. H. Reomer, of Company A, mortally; Jacob Couts, of Company
G, slightly; [Michael] Slattery, Company F, slightly; [Michael Kurnan,
Company A, Slightly. Privates [Joshua W.] Dubois, Company
E, Thomas McKeffrey, Company F, and Nelson H. Turner, Company
B, missing.

In closing this report, out of justice to my regiment, I would respectfully
call the attention of my superiors to the dispiriting circumstances
attending the unsuccessful charge, before described.
The men were exhausted and worn out by the recent imposition of
incessant picket duty in their position near Middleburg. They were
taken from behind stone walls which they had been guarding all
night and the day before, mounted on horses as famished as themselves,
and immediately marched with the column, and at the end of
a fatiguing day were required to charge over ground almost impracticable
in its nature and 750 paces in extent, as proved by the measurement
of experienced officers on the morning of the 22d.

I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,

G. C. CRAM,
Capt. Sixth U. S. Cavalry, Comdg. Regt.

Lieut. James F. McQuesten,
Actg. Asst. Adjt. Gen., Regular Cavalry Reserve Brigade.

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As kel1985 pointed out, anything in and around Devil's Den is suspect because the area was so popular with visitors after the war.

But scanning through the list of Union casualties, I initially came up with some possibilities:

- John B. Fisk, A/2nd New Hampshire, discharged 30 Dec 1863.
- John Block, E/78th New York, mustered out 21 Jul 1865.
- John Lusk, I/30th Pennsylvania Reserves, died 11 Jul 1863 (eliminated; his was the only unit that fought in the vicinity)
- John Back, H/97th New York, missing, presumed killed (eliminated).
- John Mack, A/84th New York, mustered out 6 Jun 1864.
 
Based on the NPS' Soldiers and Sailors system, if we limit the candidates to soldiers whose units were at the battle (a big IF, as noted) and their:

1) given name is "John"
2) surname starts with "B" or "E"
3) surname is exactly 5 letters

…then that leaves 197 candidates (the surname for NONE of whom ends in "sk"!). If we add the condition that:

4) surname ends in "ck"

..then that still leaves 169 candidates.

The surnames are Bauck, Birck, Black, Block, Bouck, Brack, Brick, Brock, Bruck, Burck, Emick, Enock, and Etock.

Of course, that list isn't limited to soldiers who survived until 18 May 1867.

-Bob
 
After looking at the improved picture, it looks like the name does indeed end with "sk". I love a mystery, @PeterT -- you've been holding out on us :smile:
I have been looking at this photo off and on since I left Gettysburg thinking I could resolve it, but thought I would ask some experts.

Thanks for everyone's input. Still not 100% clear, but others might weigh in with a view.
 
Thinking logically:
This is either from a tourist or a combatant.
If a tourist, there is no way to figure out who Mr John is.
If a combatant, Mr John likely fought at Devil,s Den, because he would not mark a random place of not importance to him, that would make him a tourist, and impossible to figure.

Looks like mystery John left another mark at Devil's Den (scroll all the way down), which makes me think that it was not random. So Mr John would likely have been in: 4th ME, 20th IN, 86th NY, 124th NY, 40th NY, 99 PA, and 6th NJ or 1st TX, 3rd AK, 44th AL, 48th AL, 15 GA, 20 GA, 17 GA, 2 GA (maybe I am missing a regiment.)

That day was a Saturday FWIW

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Definitely 5 letters in the last name and the first is either an C, B, E, Q/O/G, the other 2 anything , the one before the last C, S, and the last K

So it is C/B/E/Q/O/G,*,*,C/S, K

Quick look at the 48th AL roster, there are 3 John Clark (s) which is close, but I don't thin that the R is correct and one John R. Black who fits the bill perfectly...

4th ME, there is another John Clark, and a John Cusick, which are close but no cigar.

20th IN, John B Black.

86th NY, John P Baker, John Clark (two), John Decker, but not a good match

124th NY, nothing close

40th NY, 410 Johns and John Quirk is the closest, but was discharged on March 1863

99th PA. A Philadelphia regiment. John W Black. This one gets my money because of proximity to do the deed on a Saturday

6th NJ Another John Quirk is close, but I don't see it

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1st TX - nothing close
 
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If a tourist, there is no way to figure out who Mr John is.
If a combatant, Mr John likely fought at Devil,s Den, because he would not mark a random place of not importance to him, that would make him a tourist, and impossible to figure.

Looks like mystery John left another mark at Devil's Den (scroll all the way down), which makes me think that it was not random. So Mr John would likely have been in: 4th ME, 20th IN, 86th NY, 124th NY, 40th NY, 99 PA, and 6th NJ or 1st TX, 3rd AK, 44th AL, 48th AL, 15 GA, 20 GA, 17 GA, 2 GA (maybe I am missing a regiment.)

I'm not sure that I agree with that logic. Devil's Den was a popular destination for all park visitors. And wouldn't you want your name to be on a prominent bolder? Where are you gonna carve your name on McPherson Ridge?

But if we start with my analysis above and then filter using your logic, then we're left with only six:

1. Pvt. John B. Black, Co. C, 20th Indiana, applied for a pension in 1883.
2. Pvt. John Black, Co. K, 99th Pennsylvania, widow applied for a pension in 1863.
3. Pvt. John W. Black, Co. B, 99th Pennsylvania, applied for a pension in 1904.
4. Pvt. John Brock, Co. E, 44th Alabama
5. Pvt./Sgt. John A. Black, Co. G, 3rd Arkansas, killed in action at the Wilderness, Virginia, May 6, 1864
6. Pvt. John J. Brock, Co. H, 2nd Georgia

So that rules out #2 and #5. Dunno anything more about #4 and #6.

-Bob
 
Methinks he would be arrested today if he tried such sacrilege - unless if was Peter T, who could probably talk his way out of incarceration as easily as a movie star talking there way out of a traffic ticket.

I hung with Peter so l could get us into trouble, and he could get us out of it!
 
I hung with Peter so l could get us into trouble, and he could get us out of it!

Of course we wouldn't do anything sacrilegious to anything .... but on a lesser misdemeanour, I would play the foreigner tag and they would hear my accent and roll their eyes ... and you can chime in with your Irish twang and we are out of trouble!
 
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Of course we wouldn't do anything sacrilegious to anything .... but on a lesser misdemeanour, I would play the foreigner tag and they would hear my accent and roll their eyes ... and you can chime in with your Irish twang and we are out of trouble!

Yes! They would be more amused than anything. We might get caught trying to access "Thee Cupola" to practice our lines.
 

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