Where to Start?

Highfly

Cadet
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Location
Michigan
Okay, as a beginning reenactor I've done my research on units, participated in some of their events, and found one I want to join. Now I have a long list of items to purchase for their "basic" infantry impression. I'd like to be able to get my things in one fell swoop, but my finances (poor college student) won't allow it. The good news is that they let people borrow any and all items until they've purchased their own.

So where do I go from here? As veterans, what's more important to acquire first, the uniform or the gun?
 
I would say that the very first thing to buy are the brogans. My reason for saying that is everyone has extra clothing but not very many folks have extra brogans. If they do, are they the right size.
My next advise is to slowly buy the correct items, NOT rush out and buy cheep stuff. If you buy the the cheep stuff you will have to buy the correct stuff later on.
Since your unit says they will loan stuff out that you need take it slowly but make an effort to show that you are buying the correct stuff. That should make them happy and they will not ming loaning things out to you.
On the same note I have had fish who took adavantage of loaner stuff and didn't bother to buy anything. He soon found out that the well ran dry.
 
Rifle as it is the single most expensive item, then brogans uniform w/ leathers and sundries being last. Simply because if you opt out of the hobby the rifle is easy to sell off w/out significant loss. Then pick up the uniform & Brogans as it will prove to the unit leadership you are truly interested...

Good Luck
 
Getting Started...

As for me, I would start with brogans. As Mr. Wadswworth said, you'll have a difficult time borrowing them, especially good ones. And, nothing will ruin a weekend more rapidly than bleeding, throbbing feet. Plus, that gives you an opportunity to wear them around the house and yard for a while to get them thoroughly broken in.
After that, you can begin to look for your uniform.
As far as that goes, follow the advice you've already received...take it sllllllooooowwww and buy the good stuff!
If you spend the next year saving for a top-notch RD Type II shell jacket hand-made by the New Richmond Depot...do it!
If you have no idea what I'm talking about there, do a bit of research. I mean that with all due respect.
There are folks out there making very good reproductions of original gear. There are others who throw together "Confederate" jackets with modern wool (even calling it 100% wool when that claim is somewhat dubious).
Look into what unit your going to be portraying on a regular basis. Where were they located for the majority of the conflict? What depots were supplying their uniforms and equipment? These sorts of things will tell you exactly what kind of clothing you should be looking for, as well as who may be making what you need.
So, if you will be "in the field" as a Reb in the Army of Northern Virginia, you would want to try to begin with the aforementioned Richmond Depot Type II shell jacket and trousers in one of a couple of patterns. This is a good jumping off point since that style of uniform was issued for quite a while from the latter part of 1862 right on until the end. If your impression represents someone serving further west, look into the suppliers who made clothing for that theater of operations.
Basically, what I am saying is that you can't really go out and buy a "Confederate" uniform. (and that goes for the Yanks, as well)
A nice reference to get you started is posted here:

http://www.military-historians.org/company/journal/confederate/confederate-1.htm

It's not exactly a page-turner, but is full of very useful information.
Once you have your basic uniform put together, I'd say to go ahead and take the plunge into weaponry.
After that, the accoutrements such as a haversack, knapsack, groundcloths, and blankets would be next on the list.
Once you have yourself fairly well situated, you can go on and "specialize." There will always be that Peter Tait jacket or jeans cloth frock coat calling your name.
A couple of final, random, thoughts...
If you're on a budget, my best advice to you...learn to SEW! Sure, friends will laugh at you, but if you can eventually assemble a Charlie Childs jacket kit, the savings will more than make up for the torment. And, many items will not have the button holes hand sewn. The supplier will happily do it for you, for a fee. Instead, pocket the money and do it yourself.
Next, make sure you don't lose sight of the fact that you'll be starting out as a fresh fish. As such, your uniform should show it. Steer clear of hat cords and colored trim and other superfluous finery. These soldiers shunned anyone and anything that stood out from the rest. A man who tried to answer roll call dripping with brass buttons and gold braid would have been the butt of jokes for the remainder of his army career. So, keep things simple.
I am sure I've probably confused you more than I've helped, so please feel free to ask any questions you may have. I am in the midst of renovating a 150 year old house, so I am not around here very often, but I'll try to respond when I can.
Good luck!
Cheers and Fairwinds,
Brett Silver
 
Some vendors that should interest you. IMO these are all quality vendors, no made in India trash as you can end up w/ from some of the Sutler row places.

Suggested Vendors

Firearms

http://www.lodgewood.com/ (consignment page often has wonderful deals)
http://www.umvmco.com/ (best deal for price)
http://www.regtqm.com/productindex.html (excellent autheticized section)


Leathers & non uniform gear including brogans & tinware

http://jamescountry.com/
http://www.umvmco.com/
http://www.missouribootandshoe.com/index.asp
http://www.skilletlicker.com/


Uniform

http://www.bridgemicro.com/msullivan/catalog/index.htm? (Trousers)
http://www.regtqm.com/productindex.html (Campaigner Corner for excellent Sack Coats)
http://www.wwandcompany.com/ (excellent Sack Coats)
http://www.cjdaley.com/ Superb gear for those who want everything right.


Hats

http://www.dirtybillyshats.com/
http://www.clearwaterhats.com/

Eyewear

http://www.jastown.com/acces/acces.htm
http://www.metiques.com/catalog/glasses.html
 
Thank you all for the advice. You've given me something to think about before our season starts... I only worry that without a rifle to practice with, over the winter I'll forget all the drill I learned last fall.

Some vendors that should interest you. IMO these are all quality vendors, no made in India trash as you can end up w/ from some of the Sutler row places.
That was going to be my next question, actually...

There's a big living history show coming up and I was thinking of looking there for accoutrements. Any advice for purchasing used things?

If you spend the next year saving for a top-notch RD Type II shell jacket hand-made by the New Richmond Depot...do it!
If you have no idea what I'm talking about there, do a bit of research. I mean that with all due respect.
No offense taken, sir. IMHO, no one can ever do enough research... Though I do wonder when I'll be able to wear gray or butternut without becoming a POW ;)
 
Though I do wonder when I'll be able to wear gray or butternut without becoming a POW
At least POWs don't need to invest in an expensive musket. All you need is a tree-branch crutch and a red-stained bandage.
Ole
 
Highfly said:
Thank you all for the advice. You've given me something to think about before our season starts... I only worry that without a rifle to practice with, over the winter I'll forget all the drill I learned last fall.


That was going to be my next question, actually...

There's a big living history show coming up and I was thinking of looking there for accoutrements. Any advice for purchasing used things?


No offense taken, sir. IMHO, no one can ever do enough research... Though I do wonder when I'll be able to wear gray or butternut without becoming a POW ;)

I would not waste your money at the show... perhaps go and look and make some contacts but do some looking before you buy. You are looking at a $1000-$2000 investment and you want to be certain of what you are buying. I saw only one reputable vendor that I can vouch for and I do not believe you are of the right gender to make use of them.

The list of links I tossed you is a good start. I'm particularly fond of Chris Sullivans Stony Brook outfit. He is a wonder to work w/ as well as a fount of information. His consignment page is a wonderful place to pick up used gear and it is from an HONEST man. I have been burned in the past buying off the AC forum and their is no recourse if burned.

There is a lot of info you have to decide upon prior to purchasing your gear. Do you want a generic or specific impression. What branch and from what region. Western Federal or Western CS is a dramaticly different impression than AoP or ANV. What do you intend to do upon being outfitted; powder burn or Living History? Again different things to look for in the arms side of it.

Waumbaugh & White are a brilliant outfit w/ kits available if you are willing to do some handsewing... ok a lot of handsewing.

Lodgewood has OUTSTANDING original arms in shootable condition for a very competitive price and offer perhaps the best authenticized Enfield on the market. Do you want an arm that just looks right from 10' away or one that feels right and handles the same as an original. If the latter you will have to spend some $... that said Armi-Sport makes the best out of the box correct repop ion the market in the form of their M1842. The Euroarms M1841 is also excellent but a more specific style of impression. THe Miroku M1861's are the best M1861 out there but they are available now only on the secondary market. As to Enfields... go to the Regt QM or Lodgewood for one that has been fixed. Of the two Lodgewoods is the one that will shoot like an original.

The Regimental QM is probably the closest thing out there to a one stop shop; their authenticized arms are quite good and their campaigner corner is an outstanding source for high mid to high end gear.

I'm a fan of paying good $ for proper headgear and frankly that leaves only a couple good vendors and I have listed my two favorites. I have never purchased anything from clearwater but have never seen anything but OUTSTANDING work from them. I've bought three hats from Dirty Billy (all three factory seconds) over the last 10 years and they all have been excellent.

I hope that is a decent start on what to look for. Good Luck

There are quite a few people here from various levels of the hobby who are likely willing to give good advice. Myself or AZreenactor for western federal Steven Cone for Western CS. There are others for the various other branches. Most importantly don't rush out and buy everything at one fell swoop as that can be a costly mistake; take your time.

Good Luck.
 
There is a lot of info you have to decide upon prior to purchasing your gear. Do you want a generic or specific impression. What branch and from what region. Western Federal or Western CS is a dramaticly different impression than AoP or ANV. What do you intend to do upon being outfitted; powder burn or Living History? Again different things to look for in the arms side of it.
The unit is the 7th MI Inf. who served the whole war in the East (2nd Corps). We do both powder burn and living history, but probably more living history with some large events tossed in. Overall, I'm hoping for as specific an impression as I can do without pretending to be an actual historic figure - if that makes any sense.

I hope that is a decent start on what to look for. Good Luck
Thanks... You've given me quite a bit to chew on and I feel better getting different ideas. A few people have suggested Blockade Runner, Milk Creek, and Fall Creek as sutlers I might look into as they're more in my price range, but I'm not opposed to doing some of the sewing (or most of it) myself for something that might be better.
 
A few more things...

Highfly,
Glad to hear you're looking to join a Federal unit. Not that I have any Yankee leanings...quite the contrary, I'm a Virginian through and through. Had two g-g-g grandfathers and six uncles who served in the ANV. It's just that there tend to be too few people out there who will wear the blue.
Since you're looking at an Army of the Potomac impression, there is actually an abundance of good stuff on the market fron which you can choose. And, while the prices can sometimes be a bit higher, I've found the heavy-weight wool from which the clothing is made to stand up to abuse much better than the jeans cloth or satinette of a Confederate equivelent.
As far as purchasing from a reenactment or living history, I'd echo the earlier advice: hold off! Unless its going to be one of the major "campaigner" events where the top-of-the-line guys will be selling their wares, most of what you'll see is junk. Do some browsing. Feel the cloth and handle the leathers. Take mental notes. But, don't fall for seemingly easy solution to your problem.
Take it from someone who went out to Cedar Creek about 12 years ago and wasted an entire Christmas' worth of gift money from my folks on stuff that was used exactly zero times. As soon as I brought it out to my first event with the unit I was joining, it became the butt of campfire jokes. I didn't even make it out of the parking lot.
Where should you look? Johan gave you some good leads. I would add:
The Jersey Skillet Licker
Pricey, yes. But, beautiful! Every last piece of what they offer!
http://www.skilletlicker.com/servlet/StoreFront

If you happen to win the lottery...you could always get something from Charlie...
http://www.crchilds.com/index.htm
If nothing else, take a look at what he offers and use it as research.

If I'm not mistaken, you can still get uniforms from Casy Osgood. And, I don't think his prices are that bad either.
http://osgoodreproductions.tripod.com/blousepage.htm

Chirs Daley's clothing is very nice as well...
http://www.cjdaley.com/sackcoats.htm

Just take these as you will. I have no affiliation with these folks. I've seen and worn their work in the past, I can tell you, you'll not be disappointed.
I would agree that Dirty Billy's hats are wonderful! I had one that I wore five days a week, eight hours a day when I was working at Pamplin Park, and can tell you that the thing ended up looking worse for wear, but still held up. If you get a chance, stop by his store in Gettysburg. It's a blast!
Other than that, just make sure you take your time. Any unit worth their salt will help you along. They have all been there before and understand. At least they should! If not, look elsewhere.
And, I do like that you said you wanted to continue practicing your drill! You have no idea how little many groups worry about such a crucial aspect of the hobby. Not only are the manuals there to teach you basic tactics and teamwork, there is an incredible amount of firearms safety built into them. Learning to properly handle a weapon almost as long as you are, within inches of fellow human beings is CRITICAL to enjoying a weekend at an event, yet too often folks just see drill as a chance to burn a little powder and look cool.
So, practice! Practice! Practice! If you do not have a musket, use a stick! I am not kidding! The key is making the movements become clockwork.
Alright...I have to run.
Please keep your questions coming! That's what a forum like this is here for!
Cheers and Fairwinds,
Brett Silver
 
Highfly said:
The unit is the 7th MI Inf. who served the whole war in the East (2nd Corps). We do both powder burn and living history, but probably more living history with some large events tossed in. Overall, I'm hoping for as specific an impression as I can do without pretending to be an actual historic figure - if that makes any sense.


Thanks... You've given me quite a bit to chew on and I feel better getting different ideas. A few people have suggested Blockade Runner, Milk Creek, and Fall Creek as sutlers I might look into as they're more in my price range, but I'm not opposed to doing some of the sewing (or most of it) myself for something that might be better.

Stay away from Fall Creek uniforms and leathers... I don't know about their tinware but rather expect the same to be true. Leathers... substandard and uniforms are of the wrong pattern and wrong weight of wool. You will end up being hotter and less comfortable than w/ the appropriate weight wool. Seriously look to Waumbaugh or Regt QM Campaigner corner, I was told yesterday that their sack coats are a 1st rate vendor kit they put together which is why they can sell it as inexpensivly as they do.

Stay away from Stainless steel altogether; it stands out as very noticeable and incorrect. In the past I've told youth to go for stainless muckets and canteens and then taken them to my fathers welding shop and changed the outside finish to a more tinlike appearance. It can be done but I don't believe it is worth it... hot dipped tin is only 10-20% more expensive than stainless and looks better.

IIRC there is a Regimental history for the 7th MI VI; there certainly is plenty for II Corps! You should be able to easily find uniform and arms data and maybe even some CDV's showing actul men of the regt. If possible take a day and go to your state historical society. It will be well worth it, look to some letters & diaries if they have them and official correspondence; I've also been suprised how many images are available at various state historical societies.

Again good luck.
 
Sewing, etc.

If sewing is something you are considering I would certainly recommend taking a look at County Cloth and Wambaugh, White & Company for kits. With them you'll be sure to get correct materials and patterns as well as learn quite a bit about how authentic uniforms are constructed. If you have the time and patience to make your own gear it will pay dividends in the long run. This is especially evident when doing living history presentations. You'll learn a great deal about material culture in the process and be able to allow people to see and handle uniform items that are much closer to what they would normally only see behind glass.

When doing interpretation the material culture examples really can open the door to discussing a whole range of Civil war issues related to industrialization, mobilization, graft, corruption, profiteering, technological advancements, supply lines methods and procedures, imports, differences in North/South industry, etc, etc. Also I've found that handing someone a well and correctly made coat or other article and pointing out the reasons for some of the details can really help people recognize the craftsmanship, ingenuity, and intelligence of our forebears and remind them that the people of the 1860 were not a bunch of ignorant hicks but rather normal people living in a socially and technologically different era, albeit with a continuity that carries over into our own time and place.

As you are starting out I strongly recommend doing some real research (not merely eSearch but actually visit some libraries, museums and historical societies). Don't be afraid to question the authenticity and correctness of those around you. This hobby has a history of continuous progression. From cotton polyester uniforms, doughboy hats, and trapdoor springfields, to suttler row "looks good from 50 feet away" efforts, to Jarnagin gear, to County Cloth, to Don Smith museum quality reproductions, to beyond. The bar of what is good enough has continued to be raised in the hobby. Keep that in mind as you talk to different people and get their take on what you need. They may telling you what was the best or even just acceptable a generation ago. There is no end to the short cuts you could take but every step you take closer to being authentic and accurate in your impression (on all levels, not just gear) takes you closer to better understanding the time people and time period you wish to depict.
 
Right on!

Troy,
All I can say is Amen!
You hit the nail on the head, repeatedly.
Now, if only more folks out there would follow your lead!
Cheers and Fairwinds,
Brett Silver
 
There are several places you can check for used clothing and equipment.

The Civil war forum:
http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/

The Autehntic Campaigners forum: (read the rules and FOLLOW them)
http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/

Also check the approved vendors on the AC forum to learn about different uniforms and equipment.

Chris Sulivan makes regular grade and museum grade pants, he also offers a consignment service where you can find some really good deals:

http://www.bridgemicro.com/msullivan/catalog/index.htm

Buying used can save a lot of cash and the equipment already has started to look lived in. Borrow what you can for now and watch to see what you actually use. a lot of people waste money on things they really don't need and will never use. I have a closet full of stuff that only gets used once or twice a year!

Keep asking questions, reading and researching, it's teh only way to avoid making mistakes that us old timers have all made!

Good luck,

Wayne
 
Birddog said:
There are several places you can check for used clothing and equipment.

The Civil war forum:
http://www.cwreenactors.com/forum/

The Autehntic Campaigners forum: (read the rules and FOLLOW them)
http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/

Also check the approved vendors on the AC forum to learn about different uniforms and equipment.

Chris Sulivan makes regular grade and museum grade pants, he also offers a consignment service where you can find some really good deals:

http://www.bridgemicro.com/msullivan/catalog/index.htm

Buying used can save a lot of cash and the equipment already has started to look lived in. Borrow what you can for now and watch to see what you actually use. a lot of people waste money on things they really don't need and will never use. I have a closet full of stuff that only gets used once or twice a year!

Keep asking questions, reading and researching, it's teh only way to avoid making mistakes that us old timers have all made!

Good luck,

Wayne


Wayne brings up a good point about the buy/sell pages on CWreenactors page and the AC; but I want to caution that when buying from an individual over the net there is no recourse if what you receive was misrepresented. I've been burned by two different members of the A/C on the buy/sell page... no recourse. Chris Sullivans Consignment page, is what he represents and he has a business license and there would be recourse if things went bad... not likely, but the safety net is there. A business needs to make money but they also have to maintain a good reputation.

Good Luck
 
I guess I've been lucky. I've made several purchases off both forums and never had a bad result. A few e-mails to feel out the person and maybe a phone call tends to iron out most of the bad deals. if it sounds too good to be true then..... If you watch the forums for a bit you will get a feel for who is upfront and who may not be, at least that has been my experience.

As far as Chris Sulivan goes I've sold a couple of coats on his consignment page and bought more than I care to remember. He is always a gentleman, professional, and is very customer service oriented. He goes out of his way to ensure his customers are satisfied, for a pitance of commision. I also own a pair of his museum quality federal pants and they are great!

Good luck,

Wayne
 
My many, many thanks to everyone for their great advice...

I would not waste your money at the show... perhaps go and look and make some contacts but do some looking before you buy. You are looking at a $1000-$2000 investment and you want to be certain of what you are buying.

I went to the show this weekend, and have come to the conclusion (as you pointed out) to save my money for good quality stuff and probably do some of my own sewing. The only thing I saw worth my attention were a couple patterns for civilian shirts, undergarments, and the like that I could try as practice...
 

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