Forrest What made Forrest most successful as a commander?

What INDIVIDUAL skill contributed most in making Forrest an effective commander?

  • Knowledge of terrain

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Executive/entrepreneurial experience

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Willingness and ability to bluff

    Votes: 10 41.7%
  • Knowledge of people

    Votes: 10 41.7%
  • Fast learner

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • Other (Please explain!)

    Votes: 10 41.7%

  • Total voters
    24

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Gonna pin you guys down! You get one choice--and please elaborate! We'd love to see your specific examples...and if your memory isn't 100% on when/where, I bet diane will know!

We've discussed this numerous times, but I'd like to see if anything seems to be #1. I'm not voting until next Sunday, so you can't copy me! :D
 
Other.

True, that in most cases Forrest had Knowledge of the Terrain as this was his territory where he had lived for years.

However, I consider his success was due to his fighting spirit and the other axioms he lived by such as hit them fast and keep the pressure on. Sorta like Rooster Cogburn's philosophy: Those men have family so if you go after them full bore they will turn and run.
 
Forrest was a leader who had the ability to have his men willingly follow and obey his orders. His knowledge of tactics, logisitics and ability to determine terrain were all valuable talents but many others had those assets. It was the MAN that made him unique. He was able to determine what actions to take prior to and during a battle and had the charisma necessary to lead men into situations were common sense would scream at a man not to go!
Regards
David
PS I believe that Diane will agree with these few lines
 
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I voted other! Here's why:

Leadership. To me, it was the uniqueness of Forrest's character. There's a difference between people who can lead and people who are leaders. Those who lead can get the job done or as near to it as it can be done, they have the knowledge, the talent, the resources, the people - a good boss. But a leader, especially a military one, has to have much more. Personality matters, and character matters even more. Forrest did not lie, he was honest with his men, led by example. As he said in his farewell speech, he never sent his troops where he would not go himself. And, except for a couple cases where his superiors had other ideas, he did not. Decisions were made and kept. He would analyze the information from his scouts, collect all the data he could, sound his own mind and feelings. This was where his men would see him walking around in circles - literally! - with his chin on his chest. They didn't bother him - one guy who did got a knuckle sandwich. The general popped him without even looking and then stepped over him every time he passed him on his circle! Once the decision was made he was all in. Which brings us to another essential quality for a leader - passion. Forrest did not like the idea of secession or of war, but once the decision was made he was all in - blood and treasure. He never whistled Dixie, he lived it. Dedication to a cause he was willing to die for, and believed worth dying for, and worth the sacrifice of his men. There was also answering for his decisions. If he made the wrong one and his men paid for it, he owned the mistake. (Except at Tupelo - he said it wasn't his fight and it really wasn't.) There was fairness. Forrest was demanding and required much of his troops but they understood why in the results, which were largely victories. His men trusted him. When they were in a real scrape, they'd say, "Ol' Bedford will figure a way out of this." He usually did. Empathy was another - he did his best to look out for his people and wouldn't fight a battle if he felt too many of them would be lost for too little gain. Overall, they saw that their commander did not require any more of them than he required of himself, and that was a lot. Inspiration came from all these necessary requirements coming together. Forrest's troops would fight for him if nothing else. At Okolona, the Federals outnumbered the Confederates and were aligned for a charge. Forrest, wearing a uniform coat with his dead brother's blood all over it, rode down the line of his cavalry. He looked each man in the eye and quietly said, "Hold this line for me." Each nodded. And they did it. His physical presence on a battlefield changed everything. This personal charisma was why Sherman all but put a price on Forrest's head - no other cavalryman on either side had that dubious honor!
 
He was a natural born leader plus he also had a lot of good men under him. Probably in spite of a few "bad apples". Good men can make even a bad leader look good at times. So think what good men do with a good leader?

Now THAT is something I'm sorry I didn't come up with!
 
As Diane said "he never sent his troops where he would not go himself."

But look at Parkers Crossroads … "Charge em both ways" He was a Natural Leader.. Retreated with his captured supplies most of his men and went on to fight another day. I had family in the 4th Alabama that fought under him .. I need study him and the 4th more
 
He succeeded/excelled the most when commanding an independent force.
When saddled with other commands, he didn't come out so brilliant as many would want us to believe. In the end, he failed like all other CS Commanders, they all lost the war.

Kevin Dally
 
I voted other. Although the specific choices offer some explanation for Forrest's success, I would say that the most important characteristic was Forrest's innate ability to handle people and deal with situations as they arose, rather than be sidelined by textbook solutions. By his force of personality and charisma, he was able to inspire his command to go beyond 100% of effort and push on no matter how rough the environment or opposing force might be.
 
Leadership, charisma, confidence, and aggressiveness.

I think those same abilities not only motivated his men during the war and helped him be mostly successful, but have enamored his fans up through the modern day. He's probably got the third biggest fan club amongst Confederates, after only Lee and Jackson. But his appeal isn't the same as those two. Lee and Stonewall are more like religous reverence. Forrest seems to more like Andrew Jackson - a rugged populist charm. In turn, if you're immune to the charms of NBF that all probably makes him even more irritating.

I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't have a strong opinion about Forrest. I simply haven't read about him in detail because all of his biographies seem to have very mixed reviews. But I've heard lots of people express very strong opinions about him.
 
...after only Lee and Jackson. But his appeal isn't the same as those two. Lee and Stonewall are more like religous reverence...

...to notice that Lee and Stonewall history venues are finding it more embarrassing every year -- and rightly so.
 
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I voted other! Here's why:

Leadership. To me, it was the uniqueness of Forrest's character. There's a difference between people who can lead and people who are leaders. Those who lead can get the job done or as near to it as it can be done, they have the knowledge, the talent, the resources, the people - a good boss. But a leader, especially a military one, has to have much more. Personality matters, and character matters even more. Forrest did not lie, he was honest with his men, led by example. As he said in his farewell speech, he never sent his troops where he would not go himself. And, except for a couple cases where his superiors had other ideas, he did not. Decisions were made and kept. He would analyze the information from his scouts, collect all the data he could, sound his own mind and feelings. This was where his men would see him walking around in circles - literally! - with his chin on his chest. They didn't bother him - one guy who did got a knuckle sandwich. The general popped him without even looking and then stepped over him every time he passed him on his circle! Once the decision was made he was all in. Which brings us to another essential quality for a leader - passion. Forrest did not like the idea of secession or of war, but once the decision was made he was all in - blood and treasure. He never whistled Dixie, he lived it. Dedication to a cause he was willing to die for, and believed worth dying for, and worth the sacrifice of his men. There was also answering for his decisions. If he made the wrong one and his men paid for it, he owned the mistake. (Except at Tupelo - he said it wasn't his fight and it really wasn't.) There was fairness. Forrest was demanding and required much of his troops but they understood why in the results, which were largely victories. His men trusted him. When they were in a real scrape, they'd say, "Ol' Bedford will figure a way out of this." He usually did. Empathy was another - he did his best to look out for his people and wouldn't fight a battle if he felt too many of them would be lost for too little gain. Overall, they saw that their commander did not require any more of them than he required of himself, and that was a lot. Inspiration came from all these necessary requirements coming together. Forrest's troops would fight for him if nothing else. At Okolona, the Federals outnumbered the Confederates and were aligned for a charge. Forrest, wearing a uniform coat with his dead brother's blood all over it, rode down the line of his cavalry. He looked each man in the eye and quietly said, "Hold this line for me." Each nodded. And they did it. His physical presence on a battlefield changed everything. This personal charisma was why Sherman all but put a price on Forrest's head - no other cavalryman on either side had that dubious honor!
Well said !

As usual . . . our resident Forrest expert explains the big picture in a way we all can understand.
 
Forrest claimed that his lack of a West Point education made him a more successful commander.

I've sometimes wondered if he was right! A military education might have made an even better soldier - or ruined a fine talent. As he said, "Whenever I fit one of them West Pointer fellers, I generally had him whipped before he got his tune pitched." He never missed a chance to poke one in the eye, either - Wilson's spy-who-came-to-dinner, Major Hosea was a proud graduate of West Point and said so, and also wondered at Forrest's success. Forrest replied, "I have never rubbed my back up against no college."
 
I know his style took some opponents by surprise. They found out this was not "Cavalier/JEB Stuart" cavalry that was now facing them. This was shotguns + six shooters and not sabres.
 

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