Two Infamous Guerrillas

Yes, Quantrill's "head" (sculpted from wax) is or was in a refrigerator at the offices of the Dover, Ohio historical society. I have seen a photo of it (shot quite a few years ago). It doesn't seem to me to bear even a passing resemblance to the photos I've seen of him, but there it is, anyway. One author (whose name escapes me at the moment) used it as a lead in to his book. It was one of the most intriguing and funny leads I've ever read. I am sure many of you have read the same introduction.
 
Yes, Quantrill's "head" (sculpted from wax) is or was in a refrigerator at the offices of the Dover, Ohio historical society. I have seen a photo of it (shot quite a few years ago). It doesn't seem to me to bear even a passing resemblance to the photos I've seen of him, but there it is, anyway. One author (whose name escapes me at the moment) used it as a lead in to his book. It was one of the most intriguing and funny leads I've ever read. I am sure many of you have read the same introduction.

How did Quantrill come to be buried here, there and everywhere?
 
Very true, I know people still honor them, a lot of Anderson's family still live in Mo. It is hard to hate people you or related to, and even those you respect and admire. Author Donald Hale ordered and placed Anderson's marker.

Through a thread we had here a few months ago entitled something like "What made a Guerrilla: What began in Ky ended in MO" which was started by a decedent of Jesse James, I found out I was very distantly related to Jesse, (our common ancestor was living in VA. in the 1750's or so). And in speaking with my cousin just the other day, I found out she is the g. g. grand niece to a Moses Huffaker, who rode with Capt. Anderson, and maybe the James after the war. The Huffakers and James were all from Clay County, Mo, and for some reason, a lot of the Clay county boys rode with Anderson.

For the last few years, my interest in the CW has been, like Patrick's, centered on the guerrilla war here in MO and to a degree, on their psychology. My opinion of them in general has softened some what.
 
He was first buried in Kentucky, but his mother wanted to bring him home to Canal Dover, Ohio. She hired one of his boyhood friends to help her get the remains moved. By the time they got around to this, the remains were skeletal or mostly skeletal. The coffin had deteriorated, and collapsed, leaving small fragments of bone in the original grave. The rest was reboxed for shipment to Ohio--except the friend wasn't very honest with Mrs. Quantrill. He kept the skull and most of the long bones. A coffin containing some of Quantrill's skeleton was buried in Dover. Later, the friend peddled the long bones to a Kansas collector. I believe this was William Elsey Connelley, the Kansas historian. In any event, they eventually came into his possession. Quite some time later, he gave them to the Kansas Historical Society and they were displayed in a glass case for a long time. The collector wasn't interested in the skull, though, so the boyhood friend kept it the rest of his life. His son "inherited" it, and used it initiation rituals in his fraternity. This went on for years, until the fraternity chapter went inactive. At that point the skull was finally buried with the rest of the Dover remains. It is in a child's coffin, buried about three feet deep over the main Dover coffin. Cemetery officials were reluctant to dig any deeper, for fear of disturbing the coffin below.

Meanwhile, back in Kansas, all of the Native American bones in museums and labs were repatriated as much as possible to their tribes, or otherwise reburied. The Kansas State Historical Society decided to divest themselves of Quantrill's long bones, too, so they made preliminary arrangements to send them to Dover. However, a Confederate group (probably the William Clark Quantrill Society) made a counter proposal. Quantrill's first Dover funeral had been held in secret and the grave was unmarked. The Society thought he deserved better and proposed a military funeral in the Confederate Cemetery in Higginsville. That was done with Confederate pall bearers, flag waving, rifle salutes, etc. They specifically did NOT include cannon salutes because, as they said: "Whenever cannons are at a press event, the cannons are the only thing that appear in the local newspaper." Quantrill's Missouri coffin was covered by several bags of cement mix before the grave was filled, so that seeping rain would eventually harden it and create a deterrent to grave robbers.

I believe the skull was the last piece of him to be buried and now his Dover grave is marked, too.
 
How did Quantrill come to be buried here, there and everywhere?

The general story is something like this; Quantrill dies of his wounds and is buried in an unmarked grave in Louisville, Ky. 10-15 years after the war, Quantrill's mother, along with one of Q's boyhood friends (sorry, I don't remember the mans name at present), go to Ky to take the body back to Ohio for burial. They locate the grave and Q's mother identifies the skull from a chipped tooth. Water has leeched into the grave so just bones and a little cloth are all that remain. So Q's boyhood friend has the bones exhumed and placed in a container. Q's mother is pretty destitute and can't afford any of the expenses of all of this, so the friend takes the skull and a few leg or arm bones out of the container and they head on back to Ohio where most of Q is buried. In order to recoup his expenses, and maybe make a little extra, the boyhood friend tries to sell the skull and arm or leg bones to various people/collectors. The Kansas Historical Society eventually ends up with the bones, but not before a Kansas fraternity had used the skull in some of it's rituals. The skull ended up back in Ohio, buried on top of his earliest burial, but the leg/arm bones get buried in the Confederate Cemetery in Higginsville, MO. I don't remember why all of Q made it back to the original grave in Ohio.

I think what I just wrote is pretty close to the real story, especially why the bones were first separated to pay for expenses, but please don't take it as fact, as my memory isn't that good. Q's mother would make trips out to MO after the war to visit the surviving guerrilla's and, as her son was the "king" guerrilla, expected to be treated in a grand style. That didn't go over very well. She met J. James mother once and that meeting didn't go over very well, either. I think you would classify both women as being rather "difficult" when it came to their personalities. Q's mother had pretty much lived in poverty her whole life and the boyhood friend of Q's had financed the trips to Ky and out to Mo, so after she died he tried to recoup his expenses by selling the bones. I think it was Connely, the author of "Noted Guerrillas" who was able to get the KS Historical Society to buy the bones.


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Patrick H and I posted the same story with in minutes of each other, and I recognize his version and being the better one. (He's such a good writer!).
 
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I think it was Connoly, the author of "Noted Guerrillas" who was able to get the KS Historical Society to buy the bones.
Booner, it was Connelley, but he was the author of "Quantrill and the Border Wars". He was one of the authors who really demonized Quantrill. Oddly, he befriended a number of the Q. Men and went to their reunions--at least until his book was published. "Noted Guerrillas" was the work of John Newman Edwards--Shelby's adjutant and later the editor of the Kansas City Star.
 
Booner, it was Connelley, but he was the author of "Quantrill and the Border Wars". He was one of the authors who really demonized Quantrill. Oddly, he befriended a number of the Q. Men and went to their reunions--at least until his book was published. "Noted Guerrillas" was the work of John Newman Edwards--Shelby's adjutant and later the editor of the Kansas City Star.


Thanks Patrick for keeping me straight!
 
Thanks, guys! That's a really interesting story - and some friend...:cautious: It's also interesting that both Jesse James and Quantrill's mothers were hard to get along with and didn't like each other - maybe because their sons quarreled. Never underestimate the power of Mom with these guerrillas! Sometimes she was more influential in the course their lives took than anything else.
 
Thanks, guys! That's a really interesting story - and some friend...:cautious: It's also interesting that both Jesse James and Quantrill's mothers were hard to get along with and didn't like each other - maybe because their sons quarreled. Never underestimate the power of Mom with these guerrillas! Sometimes she was more influential in the course their lives took than anything else.
Diane, you are most welcome. It's an interesting and bizarre story. Can you imagine? I think I read that the frat boys called the skull Jake, although I'm sure the grave robber's son knew who it was. I knew that Mrs. Q. had traveled to Missouri and was an honored guest at one or more of the Q-men reunions. I didn't know about Zerelda James being there until Booner just told us about it. I can imagine the two women giving each other the cold shoulder. There are photographs of several of the reunions and Jesse James Jr. is an honored guest and prominently featured in at least one of them. You probably know that his Uncle Frank attended several of them.
 
guerrillas it sounds a lot better than cold-blooded killers even when they were alive the Confederacy wanted nothing to do with them so I find it odd that it would be Confederate flags on their grave Jefferson Davis dissolve all ties to guerrillas.
There is some truth to this and some inaccuracy. That's okay. I can tell your opinion is firm and that's fine. I am not out here to make converts of anyone. I simply suggest that you NOT try to paint all of these guys with a single sweep of the same broad brush. If you do, you will be wildly inaccurate. The subjects of my thread were cold blooded and they were not the only ones who were. But there were others among their colleagues who should not be judged the same. Further, Generals Price and Shelby used some of these guys as scouts and spies. Other Confederates wanted nothing to do with guerrillas.
 
There is some truth to this and some inaccuracy. That's okay. I can tell your opinion is firm and that's fine. I am not out here to make converts of anyone. I simply suggest that you NOT try to paint all of these guys with a single sweep of the same broad brush. If you do, you will be wildly inaccurate. The subjects of my thread were cold blooded and they were not the only ones who were. But there were others among their colleagues who should not be judged the same. Further, Generals Price and Shelby used some of these guys as scouts and spies. Other Confederates wanted nothing to do with guerrillas.
I live in a rural area of Missouri that did not suffer severely under Federal occupation as other areas of the State did, at least according to the County histories. However, I know of two farms situated within one mile of my farm where Union soldiers killed two innocent civilians without provocation. At one farm they killed a young boy and at the other they killed an old man. In both cases Union soldiers rode up and accosted the family of Confederate soldiers who were serving under Price several hundred miles far to the south. The Union soldiers tormented the family members before killing the boy and man, respectively in cold blood. I don't get too riled up about the depredations of the Confederate guerillas in Missouri. There was plenty of shameful actions on the other side.
 
Here is another guerrilla to add, whose grave is in Park Hills, St. Francois County, Mo.

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While I am no psychologist it seems obvious that before you pass judgment on the Confederate Guerillas you should look at the war they were fighting and who the Yankees had against them. The treatment of their bodies by the men who killed them should make their natures of the Red Legs self evident.

I "liked" your post, but I also wanted to thank you for posting it. Too often the story of the guerrilla action that took place in Missouri is just glossed over in most histories of the CW, and can be very biased depending on when the book was written, and the views of the author. It takes some effort in finding a history that is unbiased, but thankfully some new works are coming out that, (in my opinion), treat both sides of the conflict in a fair manner. When ever I find someone who is so adamant in their views about the guerrilla's, my first thought is "what have you read" that leads them to their position? In my case, I was drawn to a more in-depth study of the Missouri guerrilla war because I now live in the area of where it took place. In the most general terms, it was a war of retaliation and revenge, on both sides, at a level that occurred only very rarely in other areas of the country. I think we should be very greatfull for that.
 

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