Uniforms Thoughts on authenticity for this jacket?

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I haven't purchased this, but have an opportunity to. I grabbed some photos and checked with AI as a start (not that I specifically trust AI, but it does seem to pull from sources I might not otherwise know to search for), and it claims it's a model 1854 Federal shell jacket (apparently called a roundabout or fatigue shell jacket). I assumed it's a repro/reenactment piece but felt it was worth digging into. Here's what AI said:

This is a U.S. Federal Enlisted Infantry Shell Jacket - also called a "Roundabout" or "Fatigue Shell Jacket"

Date: American Civil War period, Model 1854 pattern / issue 1858-1865, this one 1861-1864.

What you're looking at:


1. The cut:

• Short waist-length shell - not the longer 4-button "sack coat" that most Federals wore. The shell was the dressier, close-fitting jacket for mounted and early-war service.

• High standing collar in dark navy wool - the body is the lighter Federal sky-blue / indigo kersey. That two-tone is standard for the 1854 pattern.

• 8-button front, 2-piece sleeves with a single top-stitched seam to the rear, 4-piece body with curved side-back seams and raglan-type shoulder seam you show in photo 4 and 5. That's textbook 1850s Federal construction.

• White / unbleached muslin body and sleeve lining, sleeve lining whip-gathered at the cuff - photo 7 and 8 - and all hand-felled. No machine serging.


2. The buttons:

Gilt brass Federal eagle with "I" for Infantry on the shield. That's the 1855-1865 general service Infantry button. The back would be marked Scovill / Horstmann / etc if original.

3. Why Civil War and not later:

The 1854 pattern was officially adopted before the war, standardized in General Order No. 3 of 1858, and issued en masse 1861-1864. In 1864 it was largely replaced by the sack coat for infantry. The hand-sewn buttonholes in dark thread, unbleached cotton lining, pattern of topstitching at the bottom and cuffs, and coarse wool kersey with visible moth damage are all consistent with an original wartime contract jacket, not a post-war Indian Wars remake which would be machine-sewn with darker brown lining and 5-button front, or a modern reenactor copy.

UPDATE: Owner says buttons say Waterbury Button Co. Conn


Thoughts please?

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That is not a Federal jacket in any way shape or form. AI, just don't use it! :nah disagree:

It's an older reproduction of a Confederate "Peter Tait" contract jacket from Ireland. 1864-1865 range. Infantryman's no epaulette variant.

It's made from what very certainly appears to be older reproduction blue-gray kersey fabric that always had a bit more blue in it than original fabric.

I'm sorry to report what I have on this jacket for you.
 
That is not a Federal jacket in any way shape or form. AI, just don't use it! :nah disagree:

It's an older reproduction of a Confederate "Peter Tait" contract jacket from Ireland. 1864-1865 range. Infantryman's no epaulette variant.

It's made from what very certainly appears to be older reproduction blue-gray kersey fabric that always had a bit more blue in it than original fabric.

I'm sorry to report what I have on this jacket for you.
Oh no worries at all! Like I said I haven't purchased it, and wanted to check beforehand. Thanks for the info!
 
That is not a Federal jacket in any way shape or form. AI, just don't use it! :nah disagree:

It's an older reproduction of a Confederate "Peter Tait" contract jacket from Ireland. 1864-1865 range. Infantryman's no epaulette variant.

It's made from what very certainly appears to be older reproduction blue-gray kersey fabric that always had a bit more blue in it than original fabric.

I'm sorry to report what I have on this jacket for you.
That being said….I would up my 125 upside down hanging crunches to 150 to rock that retro crop top. I think it is still very cool though I do not endorse if it is presented as otherwise. Not sure. I still like it. But dang that wool must have been itchy… and heavy in the rain.
Many thanks to whoever/whomever it was that promoted me from Cadet to Private lol…Is the next promo Private First Class? 🤣👍🏼
 
I haven't purchased this, but have an opportunity to. I grabbed some photos and checked with AI as a start (not that I specifically trust AI, but it does seem to pull from sources I might not otherwise know to search for), and it claims it's a model 1854 Federal shell jacket (apparently called a roundabout or fatigue shell jacket). I assumed it's a repro/reenactment piece but felt it was worth digging into. Here's what AI said:

This is a U.S. Federal Enlisted Infantry Shell Jacket - also called a "Roundabout" or "Fatigue Shell Jacket"

Date: American Civil War period, Model 1854 pattern / issue 1858-1865, this one 1861-1864.

What you're looking at:


1. The cut:

• Short waist-length shell - not the longer 4-button "sack coat" that most Federals wore. The shell was the dressier, close-fitting jacket for mounted and early-war service.

• High standing collar in dark navy wool - the body is the lighter Federal sky-blue / indigo kersey. That two-tone is standard for the 1854 pattern.

• 8-button front, 2-piece sleeves with a single top-stitched seam to the rear, 4-piece body with curved side-back seams and raglan-type shoulder seam you show in photo 4 and 5. That's textbook 1850s Federal construction.

• White / unbleached muslin body and sleeve lining, sleeve lining whip-gathered at the cuff - photo 7 and 8 - and all hand-felled. No machine serging.


2. The buttons:

Gilt brass Federal eagle with "I" for Infantry on the shield. That's the 1855-1865 general service Infantry button. The back would be marked Scovill / Horstmann / etc if original.

3. Why Civil War and not later:

The 1854 pattern was officially adopted before the war, standardized in General Order No. 3 of 1858, and issued en masse 1861-1864. In 1864 it was largely replaced by the sack coat for infantry. The hand-sewn buttonholes in dark thread, unbleached cotton lining, pattern of topstitching at the bottom and cuffs, and coarse wool kersey with visible moth damage are all consistent with an original wartime contract jacket, not a post-war Indian Wars remake which would be machine-sewn with darker brown lining and 5-button front, or a modern reenactor copy.

UPDATE: Owner says buttons say Waterbury Button Co. Conn


Thoughts please?

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You can evidently see the problems with AI as you managed to get it to confuse itself into thinking this is a real original coat.. with that in mind, while there's various elements that make it obviously a reproduction, i.e. buttons, this is very well cut and would be a great shell jacket to get. I'd recommend, it if it means anything.
 
Top stitching looks machine made. But some originals were made by machine, so a bit of a wash on that one. The thread colour on the top stitching threw me, as I was always led to believe it would be either brown or colour-matched to the fabric. How often was white(ish) thread used for this?
 
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Top stitching looks machine made. But some originals were made by machine, so a bit of a wash on that one. The thread colour on the top stitching threw me, as I was always led to believe it would be either brown or colour-matched to the fabric. How often was white(ish) thread used for this?
This Tait does use more of that bright thread on the buttonholes: https://www.horsesoldier.com/products/identified-items/uniforms-and-cloth/51002 Something interesting I also noted was the 5-piece(?) cut on the body as opposed to the 6-piece on typical Confederate jackets, which the repro above and this original also both have.
 
This Tait does use more of that bright thread on the buttonholes: https://www.horsesoldier.com/products/identified-items/uniforms-and-cloth/51002 Something interesting I also noted was the 5-piece(?) cut on the body as opposed to the 6-piece on typical Confederate jackets, which the repro above and this original also both have.

The Tait made jackets were made in Ireland, and by a large ready-made clothing manufacturer, and one doing large military clothing business for the British Government. The gray cloth used for their Confederate goods pretty much the same as used by the British rifle-volunteers corps.


Made to the common pattern of British roundabouts and short skirted tunics, with a single-piece back...

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Many of the garments were imported to the Confederacy as pre-cut kits. Besides the cut, the linings are Irish linen, and have British army style size markings. The ready-made imports feature the machine top-stitching, etc., in plain white, with same button-hole thread.
While the Tait made jackets are heads above most of the Confederate production in terms of cloth, buttons, etc., (and similarity between the several surviving garments) they were still just, in common military terms, cheap mass-produced fatigue jackets of common kersey cloth.





Confederate military clothing varied widely. Besides the five-piece body cut, even 4 or 3-piece body cuts might be found. The jacket of Alfred May of the 61st North Carolina, apparently made of imported European cloth, like that used for the imported Tait jackets, has a three-piece body (back and two fronts) and one-piece sleeves.

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Christian Kuhl of the 31st Virginia saved his jacket made to the same pattern, with a 3-piece body, etc., and wore it at the 1938 Gettysburg reunion... (it was lost in the destruction of the Beauvoir museum collection in Hurricane Katrina)...


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If the centre seam is arrow straight, its only real function is tradition. But it could be curved, to allow for a more tailored appearance for wearers with a wider centre back and narrow waist.
Probably not gonna happen in mass produced issue garments though.
 
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