This is the day after Lincoln died

[RobertP]

That is all.

 

[brass napoleon]

150 years ago was Easter Sunday, and the thoughts of some turned towards vengeance, like the renowned revivalist minister Charles G. Finney, President of Oberlin College:

On Sunday (it was Easter) President Finney preached two sermons, morning and afternoon, calling for the vengeance of the Lord and the Nation on the South. He declared that the Government had "already shown a dangerous amount of forbearance." "We must show the world," he insisted, "that rebellion is a fearful, terrible thing. The President was an amiable man, tender, kind-hearted, but perhaps he stood in God's way of dealing with the Rebels just as they ought to be dealt with for the good of the nation, and for the good of humanity." The South's sufferings during the war had not been punishment, he held, but only the inevitable consequences of resistance to God and the Nation's laws. Now the Rebels must be chastised; as many of the leaders as could be captured should be tried for treason and hanged!

Source: http://www.gospeltruth.net/oberlinhistory.htm#50​

 

[RobertP]

Thank you Brass, I knew I could count on one of you guys to keep the ball rolling.

 

[brass napoleon]

Thank you Brass, I knew I could count on one of you guys to keep the ball rolling.

Happy to oblige.

 

[RobertP]

Happy to oblige.

Tomorrow I'll start a "reflections on the 2nd day after Lincoln died" thread so sharpen your pencils!

 

[Rebel_Giratina]

It's easy to call for revenge after a very important person has been killed in such a tragic manner, but does that make it right?

 

[brass napoleon]

It's easy to call for revenge after a very important person has been killed in such a tragic manner, but does that make it right?

No, it doesn't. But in fact Finney and many others were calling for revenge even before Lincoln's assassination, and they saw the ascendancy of Andrew Johnson to the Presidency as a chance to get it. It's alleged that the Radical Republican Senator Ben Wade, from Ohio, when he first greeted Johnson after his taking the oath of office, said: "Mr. Johnson, I thank God that you are here. Lincoln had too much of the milk of human kindness to deal with these damned rebels. Now they will be dealt with according to their deserts."

Source: Carl Sandburg, Abraham Lincoln: The Prairie Years and The War Years, p. 724

 

[RobertP]

 

[Allie]

150 years ago was Easter Sunday, and the thoughts of some turned towards vengeance, like the renowned revivalist minister Charles G. Finney, President of Oberlin College:

On Sunday (it was Easter) President Finney preached two sermons, morning and afternoon, calling for the vengeance of the Lord and the Nation on the South. He declared that the Government had "already shown a dangerous amount of forbearance." "We must show the world," he insisted, "that rebellion is a fearful, terrible thing. The President was an amiable man, tender, kind-hearted, but perhaps he stood in God's way of dealing with the Rebels just as they ought to be dealt with for the good of the nation, and for the good of humanity." The South's sufferings during the war had not been punishment, he held, but only the inevitable consequences of resistance to God and the Nation's laws. Now the Rebels must be chastised; as many of the leaders as could be captured should be tried for treason and hanged!

Source: http://www.gospeltruth.net/oberlinhistory.htm#50​

Classy! Unlike God, Lincoln was just too nice.

 

[brass napoleon]

Classy! Unlike God, Lincoln was just too nice.

 

[ErnieMac]

In the early hours of the morning of April 16, 1865, John Wilkes Booth and David Herold, guided by a free black man by the name of Oswell Swann, arrived at the door of Samuel Cox's Rich Hill farm located near Ben Alton, Maryland. (Maryland had abolished slavery in November, 1864. I use the term to indicate Swann was not a freed slave.) According to Swann's account Booth and Herold were invited inside where they spent the next three to four hours. Cox's adopted son, Samuel, Jr., and house servant, Mary Swann (no relation to Oswell), would testify Booth and Herold never set foot in the house.

Samuel Cox did not allow Booth and Herold to stay in the home, but had Samuel, Jr. lead the pair to a pine thicket about 1/4 mile away where they would spend the next five days while arrangements were made to get them across the Potomac. During that time Cox's furnished food and supplies, including the newspaper that first informed Booth that he was not regarded as a hero. Samuel Cox would be arrested on April 24 for aiding the escapees and held for nearly six weeks until being released.

 

[rhettbutler1865]

150 years ago was Easter Sunday, and the thoughts of some turned towards vengeance, like the renowned revivalist minister Charles G. Finney, President of Oberlin College:

On Sunday (it was Easter) President Finney preached two sermons, morning and afternoon, calling for the vengeance of the Lord and the Nation on the South. He declared that the Government had "already shown a dangerous amount of forbearance." "We must show the world," he insisted, "that rebellion is a fearful, terrible thing. The President was an amiable man, tender, kind-hearted, but perhaps he stood in God's way of dealing with the Rebels just as they ought to be dealt with for the good of the nation, and for the good of humanity." The South's sufferings during the war had not been punishment, he held, but only the inevitable consequences of resistance to God and the Nation's laws. Now the Rebels must be chastised; as many of the leaders as could be captured should be tried for treason and hanged!

Source: http://www.gospeltruth.net/oberlinhistory.htm#50​

Wow! A minister preaching hanging! A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

 

[John Hartwell]

A great many people were calling for drastic punishment of the South for all the bloodshed and suffering of the previous 4 years -- including some very influential ones. Executions, mass confiscations of property, and its redistribution to freed blacks and tens of thousands of Union veterans were widely touted. But, thanks to the benign spirit of Lincoln, and the determination of President Johnson and the majority of that very "Black Republican" congress to follow, by and large, the martyred president's "malice towards none, charity for all" platform, our "Better Angels" had their say. And the South and its leaders got off very easy. Not that it was appreciated by many.

 

[Pat Young]

Wow! A minister preaching hanging! A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

There were Christians who supported capital punishment.

 

[brass napoleon]

There were Christians who supported capital punishment.

... and burned people at the stake. But yes, I'd say that's a bit hypocritical.

 

[Pat Young]

... and burned people at the stake. But yes, I'd say that's a bit hypocritical.

I may disagree with him but I don't know enough enough about him to say he was hypocritical. Some Christians saw God as Just rather than Loving.

 

[rhettbutler1865]

I am not a theologian...I feel that everyone has the inherent right to believe what they wish. Hence, my reticence to discuss "religion". But the fact is (and I don't choose to take the Bible literally), it is hypocritical to preach Christianity and advocate killing in the same breath. Sorry, Pat.

 

[brass napoleon]

I may disagree with him but I don't know enough enough about him to say he was hypocritical. Some Christians saw God as Just rather than Loving.

I am not a theologian...I feel that everyone has the inherent right to believe what they wish. Hence, my reticence to discuss "religion". But the fact is (and I don't choose to take the Bible literally), it is hypocritical to preach Christianity and advocate killing in the same breath. Sorry, Pat.

What seems hypocritical to me, more than actual killing (which could be self-defense), is vengeance. I don't want this to devolve into a theological discussion either, but as I understand Christ's teachings, they were all about forgiveness, not vengeance.

 

[Pat Young]

I am not a theologian...I feel that everyone has the inherent right to believe what they wish. Hence, my reticence to discuss "religion". But the fact is (and I don't choose to take the Bible literally), it is hypocritical to preach Christianity and advocate killing in the same breath. Sorry, Pat.

Perhaps, but the U.S. has a long history of capital punishment.

 

[rhettbutler1865]

Perhaps, but the U.S. has a long history of capital punishment.

Yes, true...but I'm not discussing the U.S.--I'm talking about one man and his hypocrisy. As brass just stated, "forgiveness, not vengeance." That's the issue here--not a discussion about capital punishment.