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[archieclement]

Was in my news feed, other then the sillyness of dropping "Confederate" from what had been a Confederate focused museum, the collection part caught my eye.

It says it has a silver punch bowl made from the Palmetto State boilers. I thought period steamboat boilers were rather heavy guage steel/iron to hold the pressures, that wouldn't lend itself to punch bowls..........would the boilers have had copper liners or something more conducive to shaping into bowl and silver plating?

The name change of museum and the boiler punch bowl question made it a toss up to which forum to put it in.......

https://www.postandcourier.com/opin...cle_752099f0-8112-11eb-9f3a-c30499770e83.html

 

[BarkJuice]

I assume that boilers of the period may have been assembled using hard (silver) solder. If so that could have been a source for silver used in the bowl, especially if the latter was plate. But this is just a guess....




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[archieclement]

Hadn't considered solder, but not sure it could form a bowl by itself....

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

A silver bowl from a boiler sounds odd, news articles are famous for getting stuff wrong or in the wrong context, especially with museum items. I remember one local newspaper describing items in a local museum and getting everything wrong.

As for the name change that's news to me, pretty sad really but they're not changing their displays. Sounds kind of like what happened to the old MoC which people are still throwing fits about, but I can't complain as I've found them still dedicated to their artifacts, and much more open about sharing data on them with people like me who'll probably never get to stop by.

It'd be nice if this one gets to be more open, they're ridiculously protective of they're artifacts, not allowing photos even for research, much less information on them for researchers.

But I thought this place owned by the UDC? Whatever, let it be listed as yet another casualty of museums the SCV failed to defend while foolishly and pretty corruptly building its own "Confederate" museum while never raising a finger to help other Confederate ones and refusing to acknowledge they exist.

 

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Was in my news feed, other then the sillyness of dropping "Confederate" from what had been a Confederate focused museum, the collection part caught my eye.

It says it has a silver punch bowl made from the Palmetto State boilers. I thought period steamboat boilers were rather heavy guage steel/iron to hold the pressures, that wouldn't lend itself to punch bowls..........would the boilers have had copper liners or something more conducive to shaping into bowl and silver plating?

When in doubt, go to the source - there's an email contact on this page (upper right corner).
https://www.museumatmarkethall.com/

Bet they'd proudly post a pic on their photo page, if asked nicely. I suppose anything's possible - I've read where a fragment of a heavy Yankee shells where used as a punchbowl, set tastefully in a sandbag.

But I'd suspect something was lost in translation between the artifact and the journalist's fingertips.

On a quasi-related note, here's the sort of writeup the Daughters of the Confederacy did on their punch bowls a century ago.
Starts at p.100
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Massachusetts_Memorial_to_Her_Soldiers_a/Y0suYzdBB0wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq="punch+bowl""+"united+daughters+of+the+confederacy"&pg=PA100&printsec=frontcover

It'd be nice if this one gets to be more open, they're ridiculously protective of they're artifacts, not allowing photos even for research, much less information on them for researchers.

The article would seem to be a proverbial foot-in-the-door.

 

[archieclement]

Think the bowl in the write up is a different one, it's sterling silver and likely originated in Boston not the Palmetto State boiler

 

[archieclement]

A silver bowl from a boiler sounds odd, news articles are famous for getting stuff wrong or in the wrong context, especially with museum items. I remember one local newspaper describing items in a local museum and getting everything wrong.

As for the name change that's news to me, pretty sad really but they're not changing their displays. Sounds kind of like what happened to the old MoC which people are still throwing fits about, but I can't complain as I've found them still dedicated to their artifacts, and much more open about sharing data on them with people like me who'll probably never get to stop by.

It'd be nice if this one gets to be more open, they're ridiculously protective of they're artifacts, not allowing photos even for research, much less information on them for researchers.

But I thought this place owned by the UDC? Whatever, let it be listed as yet another casualty of museums the SCV failed to defend while foolishly and pretty corruptly building its own "Confederate" museum while never raising a finger to help other Confederate ones and refusing to acknowledge they exist.

Next it will be SV and UD......can't have a C in it.............

 

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Think the bowl in the write up is a different one, it's sterling silver and likely originated in Boston not the Palmetto State boiler

Wasn't implying that it was the same bowl, posted to show how period bowls were written up.

Somewhere, there's probably a similar writeup on the Palmetto bowl.

 

[Rusk County Avengers]

Next it will be SV and UD......can't have a C in it.............

Speaking on the SCV, (can't comment on UDC), I don't think it'll last long enough to change its name, for many, many reasons. I give 10 to 15 years before its gone, and the fault will lie no where else but the feet of the SCV's leadership "aristocracy" and they're downright buffoonish bad decisions. Also 80% of the individual Camps being dead set against recruiting newer, younger membership.

But that's not a discussion for here.

At least we still have the museum in Charleston.

 

[archieclement]

Speaking on the SCV, (can't comment on UDC), I don't think it'll last long enough to change its name, for many, many reasons. I give 10 to 15 years before its gone, and the fault will lie no where else but the feet of the SCV's leadership "aristocracy" and they're downright buffoonish bad decisions. Also 80% of the individual Camps being dead set against recruiting newer, younger membership.

But that's not a discussion for here.

At least we still have the museum in Charleston.

The chapter I belonged to went under I think.....I was rather dissapointed in it, but mabye I had wrong expectations.

The chapter started round the 150th....as the anniversary passed it started fading pretty fast.....but imagine some of it's problems are typical to others.

 

[BarkJuice]

Hadn't considered solder, but not sure it could form a bowl by itself....

No, but as I stated the bowl could be silver plated, which could have used solder from the PS. But frankly it seems more likely that the information is simply not exactly accurate.


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