The "False Cause?"

Well, I'm not your average kid anymore. But the Mom and Dad didn't care what we thought. Only that we could think for ourselves.

Well yes, they did the traditional stuff and trotted us off to Sunday School and Confirmation Class. That was required. But they NEVER, expected us to think this way or that way.

I'll not forget the day when I told Mom I was never going back to Sunday School again. It was a disappointed OK. But it was an OK. And I didn't set foot in that church again.

When I went to college, it was a different matter. I could make money directing church choirs. Not a whole lot, but something. In those days, $15 could get you over the edge.

I even taught Sunday school for a while.
 
Well, I'm not your average kid anymore. But the Mom and Dad didn't care what we thought. Only that we could think for ourselves.

Well yes, they did the traditional stuff and trotted us off to Sunday School and Confirmation Class. That was required. But they NEVER, expected us to think this way or that way.

I'll not forget the day when I told Mom I was never going back to Sunday School again. It was a disappointed OK. But it was an OK. And I didn't set foot in that church again.

When I went to college, it was a different matter. I could make money directing church choirs. Not a whole lot, but something. In those days, $15 could get you over the edge.

I even taught Sunday school for a while.
Funny how that works.
 
I'm a redneck. Not a cracker, but close.

When one slings around these kinds of insults, one reveals bunches of serious **** about the backgroumd,\
 
Eric, I don't have a specific author in mind. I am certain however, that the average kid nowadays believes the war was fought to end slavery. Ask a kid on the street tomorrow. I did.

That seems like it would be a big improvement over the "Died for States Rights" that's inscribed in monuments around these parts. Such a statement from a child might be an incomplete truth, but MY teachers lied to me when they said "slavery had nothing to with it."

In my city we got marble folks on marble pedestals whose purpose in the war, as documented by their duly elected representatives at Texas' secession convention, was "maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time." Seems odd to me for folks to be expected to accept this without complaint, and yet be critical that the folks who actually did end slavery get credit for it. Or to rely on kids in the street as the only documentation you can provide.
 
While you are on the terms "redneck" "cracker" and you didn't mention "soda cracker."
On the other side that "nasty N word." The Spanish word for for black is "Negros' the Latin word for black is "Niger."
A few years back, The U.S. Census defined a black skinned person as a Negro. What is wrong with that?
Now the Southerners with their drawl added another "g" to the Latin name for black(Latin was required in Southern Schools of higher learning.) During the 1950-60, the term became derogatory. Now it was used equally in the North and South. I have heard the blacks use it themselves to one another. Some one came up with the tern "African-American." I do not use the term, I do not like it. Either we are Americans or not. Do we use it in other ethnic groups?
I have heard many other Black people not use the word because it does not represent them. They are Americans period.No hyphened words except for last names at the request of the person to show identity of a family or marriage condition. To b e "Politically correct" , lets ban Mark Twain and his great American classic. I am a 100% son of the south, a member of the SCV but I am not a Racist. I was an instructor at one of the largest universities in the state for 16 years. Over 1/2 of my student were Black. I looked upon them as students. Some were among the highest in GPA .
I visited them in their Churches and worshiped with them. Ethnicity or color never entered into the class discussion. I posted on my Facebook page, "Why I cannot be a Racist." I used the result of a DNA test for genealogy purposes. I have at the present 947 "Cousins" for all over the world.
There are quite a few who are several shades darker than our President.
 
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It is simplistic to say either side fought for one particular reason, especially with the common foot soldier. There were no absolutes. You are not going to easily convince descendants of thousands of USCTs or abolitionists from Massachusets that their ancestors were not fighting to end slavery. Your not going to easily convince decendants of poor dirt farmers in rural Mississippi that their ancestors were fighting to preserve slavery. What about those looking to preserve the union, those drafted, those conscripted, those looking for adventure, those looking for a paycheck, those looking to satisfy their lust for killing? The list goes on and on.....

Lost Cause,

In my own view, it is NOT simplistic to say either side fought for one particular reason, as one side made it perfectly clear by way of the historical record it was fighting for the right to preserve, protect, and expand the institution of slavery, even at the price of rendering the Union they were part of in two.

The other side made it very plain it was fighting to preserve that Union. Period. Slavery was brought into the mix by the one side while Union was the chief cause by the other. It's simply too plain not to see, in my own opinion.

As for the common foot soldier, we need to look at that first rush of volunteers who enlisted in those first days and what they knew about the issues of the day. I am very certain each side's volunteers knew exactly what those issues were.

In my own view, and from my own experience, soldiers enlist into the service for many reasons. But they all fight for their government's "absolutes" no matter what reason they gave themselves for enlisting.

Every Confederate soldier, whether he owned slaves or not, whether he enlisted for adventure, states rights, to get off the farm, etc., fought to preserve, protected and defend slavery. He could not help doing so as this was the stated political goal of the Confederacy and the seceding states. It's all there, in black-and-white, for anyone to read.

Every Union soldier, whether he wanted to or not, fought for the preservation of the Union, and then when his government deemed it necessary, to end the institution of slavery, no matter how each individual soldier felt toward blacks and emancipation. He could not help doing so as this was his federal government's stated political goals of the Union.

After a soldier enlists (or is drafted, as happened first in the Confederacy and then in the Union), no one asks him for a vote on the reason he is fighting. Individually, he may agree or disagree with his government's war aims or the reason it has decided to place him in harm's way on a distant battlefield. I know many of the soldiers I enlisted and served with often complained about the reasons for why they were sent to Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Turkey, etc. But the point was, they went where they were told and served or fought whom the government told them to.

My point is the "particular reasons" are there and can be identified. As our friend Frederick Douglass said, "There was a right side and a wrong side in the late war, which no sentiment ought to cause us to forget, and while to-day we should have malice toward none, and charity toward all, it is no part of our duty to confound right with wrong."

I agree with Mr. Douglass completely.

All of my direct ancestors who fought during the Civil War were all Confederate soldiers. They were all slaveholders. Does this make them so evil, so despicable, that I cannot understand their motives and reasons for joining the Confederate army? That I cannot bring myself to admire their courage and bravery during that bloody time?

No, it does not.

I simply cannot bring myself to believe, in this day and age with my reading of history, that they were right in rebelling against their country for the reasons given by their Confederate leadership or the personal beliefs they held that made them do so.

Sincerely,
Unionblue
 
Wow. Not a puzzle. I know in my mind both what north and south fought for. Just like you do. Probably the same thing.

So what did they fight for?

As a whole, the North fought to preserve a democratic republic that had voted in a free and fair election to stop the expansion of slavery. On an individual level, Northerners fought for many reasons. Most fought to preserve the Union and democratic principles, but many of those realized the threat that slavery posed to both of those. And some did indeed fight against slavery itself - right from the beginning - like young Private Charles Allen:

"This law was all in favor of the slave owner or slave driver. If a slave runaway from his Master in Kentucky or MO and escaped over into Ill the slave hunter could get out a warrant for the negroes [sic] arrest place the warrant in a constables hand and he could order any farmer or citizen to go with him and help him hunt the slave. If the citizen refused he was liable to a fine or imprisonment for so refusing. I am satisfied my father helped many a slave to go on his way rejoicing toward Canada to freedom. About this time Mrs. Stowes book Uncle Toms Cabin came out. In the National Era a paper printed in Washington, D.C. a paper my father used to take. I was deeply interested in that story and I think the people generally were interested in it. About this time Lovejoy was murdered by a mob at Alton, Ill and in congress there were exciting scenes and hand to hand encounters between Northern and Southern congressmen. Senator Brooks of South Carolina brutally beat and abused Senator Charles Sumner who was an invalid. All these things were happening and at the same time the South seemed determined to crowd slavery on to the North in every way possible. The Kansas trouble came up. The South wanted all of the new territories to come in as slave states while the North seemed to think we had enough of that sin for an enlightened people. I had my boyish day dreams of what seemed to me to be coming in the near future. I felt the great struggle of freedom against slavery was approaching. I had fully determined that I would have a part in that struggle. My friends often laughed at me because I talked so much about the war. They could not see any signs of a war. I only wanted it to hold off long enough for me to get my education and my strength as a full grown man. I was on a farm from 1854 to 1861. Day after day I would be plowing in the field alone. I would be thinking and studying what part I would take in the army. I would generally decide in my own mind that Cavalry or artillery would suit me the best. When the trouble commenced most everybody seemed to think that the trouble would soon be settled and seemed to think I was so foolish because I was so serious and anxious to get the farm in a shape so that I could leave it anytime. I had three chums in from town that were anxious to go when I did. We met once a week to drill. We formed a Com – but when the first call came I did not feel that I was ready. The 13th Inf. Regt was formed. Some of my schoolmates went in that I think was sometime in June or May of 61. we still waited and worked on long in July. The Battle of Bull Run was fought then our blood was at a boiling heat. We could not stay at home any longer. We decided to join a Com of Cavalry that was organizing in Ogle Co, Ill. I was at work in the harvest field cutting an 18 acre piece of wheat on my bro farm when my mates came to tell me that they wanted to start the next day. That night there was a party at one of the neighbors. I went to the party. There were two or three boys that were talking of going and the girls were crying over them. I said nothing about my going until the party broke up. Then I bid them all good by [sic] but as I had not made any [unintel] about going they could not believe that I was in earnest."

- Private Charles Richard Allen, Second Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, August 1, 1861

Source: http://genealogytrails.com/ill/whiteside/charlesallen.html
By the way, we've had multiple threads here on this topic, including these:

http://civilwartalk.com/threads/why-the-north-fought.22891/
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/how-would-they-have-answered-this-question.107075/
 
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