Startling Combat Action Photograph

Pvt.Shattuck

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A long lost and previously unseen image of an infantry advance by Union troops in the Civil War?
Nope. They're French poilu in the First Battle of the Marne- still wearing frock coats, kepis, and beards, almost 50 years later.
Mid-nineteenth century cameras required long exposure times and lengthy, complex preparation of glass plates making it impossible to take action photographs like this, even if the photographer was crazy enough to set up his tripod on a battlefield.
Still, this must be what it looked like !
marne1.jpg
 
Its a good photo but could very well have been staged as many 'combat photographs' from WWI were. Still, I think it serves as a pretty good representation of what an ACW regiment in the midst of battle would have looked like.
 
Its a good photo but could very well have been staged as many 'combat photographs' from WWI were. Still, I think it serves as a pretty good representation of what an ACW regiment in the midst of battle would have looked like.
I agree that it was possibly staged, just like much film of combat was.
(or recorded during army excises during or after the war. Or even as "reenactmens" for use as news/propaganda... this was also done during WWII. ) but could similar be real.

But I do't agree that this is that close to how a civil war regiment would look like in combat.
The civil war soldiers where(mostly) armed with muzzled loaded firearms so both ranks should be standing or kneeling... you simply loose way too much firepower by having the front rank lie down.

And naturally the firearms and "hats" are wrong.
 
But I do't agree that this is that close to how a civil war regiment would look like in combat.
The civil war soldiers where(mostly) armed with muzzled loaded firearms so both ranks should be standing or kneeling... you simply loose way too much firepower by having the front rank lie down.
In combat I think everything tended to loosen up a bit. Once the shooting started ranks were not kept perfectly aligned with everyone standing in perfect order, firing off perfectly timed volleys. Of course we weren't there, but based on first hand accounts I believe men would fight from various positions after a line of battle had been engaged for some time, still keeping formation as best as they could, but some men kneeling, others laying down or fighting from behind trees and what cover they could find.

I think this excerpt from Berry Benson's memoir, p. 22-23, says a lot:
"Since I am writing this as a heirloom for Benson 1963 which I hope will go down amongst my descendants for a long time, and since amongst those there will be many who will go through life without ever experiencing the excitement of battle, and who, unless they imbibe very different ideas of these things from what I did in my boyhood, before I had seen for myself, may get quite false notions in regard to it, I want to try to tell something of how the fighting really goes on. I supposed a battle was carried on in the order and style of first-class drill, knees all bent at the same angle and at the same moment, guns leveled on a line that was even as a floor, and every trigger pulled at one moment making a single report.

"For a battle is not a drillroom, nor is battle an occasion for drill, and there is the merest semblance of order maintained. I say semblance of order, for there is an undercurrent of order in tried troops that surpasses that of the drillroom; — it is that order that springs from the confidence that comrades have in each other, from the knowledge that these messmates of yours, whether they stand or lie upon the ground, close together or scattered apart, in front of you three paces, or in rear of you six, in the open or behind a tree or a rock, — that these, though they do not 'touch elbows to the right,' are nevertheless keeping dressed upon the colors in some rough fashion, and that the line will not move forward and leave them there, nor will they move back and leave the line.

"A battle is entered into, mostly, in as good order and with as close a drill front as the nature of the ground will permit, but at the first "pop! pop!" of the rifles there comes a sudden loosening of the ranks, a freeing of selves from impediment of contact, and every man goes to fighting on his own hook; firing as, and when he likes, and reloading as fast as he fires. He takes shelter wherever he can find it, so he does not get too far away from his Co., and his officers will call his attention to this should he move too far. He may stand up, he may kneel down, he may lie down, it is all right; — tho' mostly the men keep standing, except when silent under fire — then they lie down.

"And it is not officers alone who give orders, the command to charge may come from a private in the line whose quick eye sees the opportunity, and who's order brooks then no delay. Springing forward, he shouts 'charge, boys, charge!' The line catches his enthusiasm, answers with yells and fallows him in the charge. Generally it is a wild and spontaneous cry from many throats along the line, readily evoked by the least sign of wavering in the enemy.

"A battle is too busy a time, and too absorbing, to admit of a great deal of talk, still you hear such remarks and questions as 'How many cartridges you got?' — 'My gun's getting mighty dirty.' — 'What's become of Jones?' — 'Looky here, Butler, mind how you shoot; that ball didn't miss my head two inches.' 'Just keep cool, will you; I've got better sense than to shoot anybody.' 'Well, I don't like your standing so close behind me, nohow.' — 'I say, look at Lieut. Dyson behind that tree.' — 'Purty rough fight, ain't it Cap'n?' — 'Cap'n, don't you think we better move up a little, just along that knoll?' — all this mixed and mingled with fearful yells, and maybe curses too, at the enemy.

"And a charge looks just as disorderly. With a burst of yells, a long, wavering, loose jointed line sweeps rapidly forward, only now and then one or two stopping to fire, while here and there drop the killed and wounded; the slightly wounded, some of them, giving no heed but rushing on, while others run hurriedly, half-bent, to the rear. The colors drop, are seized again, — again drop, and are again lifted, no man in reach daring to pass them by on the ground. — colors, not bright and whole and clean as when they came fresh from the white embroidering fingers, but since clutched in the storm of battle with grimy, bloody hands, and torn into shreds by shot and shell."
 
In combat I think everything tended to loosen up a bit. Once the shooting started ranks were not kept perfectly aligned with everyone standing in perfect order, firing off perfectly timed volleys. Of course we weren't there, but based on first hand accounts I believe men would fight from various positions after a line of battle had been engaged for some time, still keeping formation as best as they could, but some men kneeling, others laying down or fighting from behind trees and what cover they could find.
I didn't mention anything about alignment or volleys. And this picture clearly show the men on a very open field.

The issue with laying down is that it take a lot of time to load the gun and there is no way you can do it with out effecting the men beside you or in the 2nd rank. Having both ranks kneeling and firing can be done without a lot of problems.
(the rear rank maybe raising up to fire so you don't have to care about the front rank man)

If you are facing an aggressive enemy you need the firepower to stop him.
 
I didn't mention anything about alignment or volleys. And this picture clearly show the men on a very open field.

The issue with laying down is that it take a lot of time to load the gun and there is no way you can do it with out effecting the men beside you or in the 2nd rank. Having both ranks kneeling and firing can be done without a lot of problems.
(the rear rank maybe raising up to fire so you don't have to care about the front rank man)

If you are facing an aggressive enemy you need the firepower to stop him.
I'm not being that specific. As I stated in my last post, I believe once engaged, or at least after fighting for some time, the ranks tended to loosen up a bit. I'm not suggesting that they were ordered to kneel or lie down, but that some men chose to on their own. Sure, if the line had to move the ranks would probably be redressed before doing so, but once engaged I don't believe every man stood perfectly in formation, whether standing, kneeling or laying down.
 

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