Starr Model 1858 Army

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I've always thought the Starr Model 1858 and 1863 revolvers were neat looking. Big. Solid. A size and weight that conveys power. Try as I might I've never been able to find one for a reasonable price in decent condition until now.

As usual, I refer to College Hill Arsenal for the background information on these revolvers:

The Starr Model 1858 Army revolver was a 6 shot, .44 caliber revolver with a 6" round barrel. The .44 M1858 "Army" revolver was produced from 1861 through 1863, when production of the Model 1863 superseded the Model 1858. Starr was the third largest provider of revolvers to the US government during the course of the American Civil War, with only Colt and Remington delivering more handguns. The Starr M1858 saw significant service with the US military during the Civil War.

The initial US government purchases of M1858 revolvers were made by the Navy, who purchased the .36 caliber version of the pistol. Army procurements were initiated in the summer of 1861, with the first revolvers being delivered in January of 1862. Over a three-year period, Starr delivered 21,050 of the M1858 revolvers, with 9,900 accepted in 1862, 6,200 in 1863 and 4,950 in 1864.

The guns saw use with more than 40 different US mounted regiments, including in part the 1st Arkansas Cavalry, 2nd California Cavalry, 1st, 2nd & 3rd Colorado Cavalry, 10th, 13th& 16th Illinois Cavalry, 2nd, 3rd & 5th Indiana Cavalry, 5th, 8th, 11th & 12th Kentucky Cavalry, 11th & 12th New York Cavalry, 2nd & 4th Ohio Cavalry, 2nd – 8th Missouri State Militia Cavalry, 13th Tennessee Cavalry, 1st & 2nd Tennessee Mounted Infantry and 1st Wisconsin Cavalry.


The revolvers received mixed reports from the men that used them in the field, with one of the most damning comments coming from an officer with the 12th Kentucky Cavalry, who noted:

"The man who sold these pistols to the government and the contractor who bought them ought to be hanged as traitors."

While the design was innovative for its time, the self-cocking mechanism was delicate and expensive and lead to the Starr company dropping the model in preference of a cheaper and more robust single action design, the Model 1863. Although referred to as a "double action" revolver, the large trigger actually only cocked the hammer and rotated the cylinder but did not actually fire the gun. Pulling the large trigger all the way to the rear pressed a very tiny, recessed extension that actually tripped the sear and released the hammer to fire the gun.

This example is in very good condition and is all matching. I have not been able to locate production records or estimates yet, but the serial number on this example, 6111, leads me to believe it is a relatively early production model.

I welcome any information you may have on production numbers, etc., and any other information on these innovative, hefty and somewhat controversial weapons.

Here is my new-to-me Starr Model 1858 Army revolver.

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congratulations on being it's new care taker. nice pistol . I got real lucky on mine. It was at a auction sight and they said it did not work right. I was the only bidder. Well when it came there was nothing wrong with it. they just did not know how to operate it. And it still has about 80% of the original finish. I got it for $600 The old saying is true Even a blind hog finds a acorn some time..

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congratulations on being it's new care taker. nice pistol . I got real lucky on mine. It was at a auction sight and they said it did not work right. I was the only bidder. Well when it came there was nothing wrong with it. they just did not know how to operate it. And it still has about 80% of the original finish. I got it for $600 The old saying is true Even a blind hog finds a acorn some time..

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What's the little one?
 
congratulations on being it's new care taker. nice pistol . I got real lucky on mine. It was at a auction sight and they said it did not work right. I was the only bidder. Well when it came there was nothing wrong with it. they just did not know how to operate it. And it still has about 80% of the original finish. I got it for $600 The old saying is true Even a blind hog finds a acorn some time..

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Great deal
 
congratulations on being it's new care taker. nice pistol . I got real lucky on mine. It was at a auction sight and they said it did not work right. I was the only bidder. Well when it came there was nothing wrong with it. they just did not know how to operate it. And it still has about 80% of the original finish. I got it for $600 The old saying is true Even a blind hog finds a acorn some time..

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gotta love them auctions when you hit a great deal. Actually Auctions are terrible stay away from them, don't need you Cats outbidding me!:bounce::bounce::bounce:
 
The little one looks like a second model Starr four-barrel pepperbox pistol, in .32 rimfire calibre. Very similar to the Sharps models but have tilting barrels and a button trigger (as opposed to a spur trigger on a Sharps). I love these small rimfire pistols, does anyone have an original civil war image of a soldier holding one?
 
I've always thought the Starr Model 1858 and 1863 revolvers were neat looking. Big. Solid. A size and weight that conveys power. Try as I might I've never been able to find one for a reasonable price in decent condition until now.

As usual, I refer to College Hill Arsenal for the background information on these revolvers:

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This example is in very good condition and is all matching. I have not been able to locate production records or estimates yet, but the serial number on this example, 6111, leads me to believe it is a relatively early production model.

I welcome any information you may have on production numbers, etc., and any other information on these innovative, hefty and somewhat controversial weapons.

Here is my new-to-me Starr Model 1858 Army revolver.
Scooter, You've got another nice example. Production records for these seem to be lost to time. The company went defunct shortly after the war, and it seems the records died with the company. My own example, recently obtained, S/N 4460, has little finish left, and didn't function properly when I got it. I've gotten it working and can hardly wait to proof it, with a string, at 15 feet. I plan to start with half-charge, 15gr of FFFG, and .454 round balls.

Karl, 68coupe
 
I found where at least 29 of the Starr Army revolvers were issued to Cobb's Legion Cavalry Battalion in December of 1862. I wonder if these had been taken from captured Union soldiers, or if they were actually purchased from Starr.
 
I found where at least 29 of the Starr Army revolvers were issued to Cobb's Legion Cavalry Battalion in December of 1862. I wonder if these had been taken from captured Union soldiers, or if they were actually purchased from Starr.
Ed, Where did you find this information, please?

V/R, Karl, 68coupe
 
Ed, Where did you find this information, please?

V/R, Karl, 68coupe
Hi Karl - I've been researching Cobb's Legion Cavalry Battalion since the mid-1990s. Anyway, I first found that 8 Starrs were issued to Capt. J. E. Ritch of company H in his CMSR on Fold3. I then checked the CMSR of the issuing officer and found that the total amount of Starrs issued was 29 among five different companies. There may have been more issued on other dates by a different officer, but I haven't checked the CMSRs of all of the officers in each company yet.
 
Here's the document from the CMSR of the issuing officer, Capt. Young J. Anderson, for the 29 Starr Army revolvers issued to Cobb's Legion Cavalry Battalion in December of 1862. Also attached is the document from the CMSR of the receiving officer, Capt. Jeremiah E. Ritch of company B (later became company H as part of ANV).
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That's pretty interesting. The hand writing is difficult to read but if I'm correct I read there were also Whitney pistols, Adams pistols and some Colt's pistols issued as well. Outstanding, thanks for posting that!
 
@Ed Rowe Not trying to redirect the original post but have you ever ran across any documentation like this that listed any arms produced by Griswold & Gunnison, Spiller & Burr, etc.?
 
Here's the document from the CMSR of the issuing officer, Capt. Young J. Anderson, for the 29 Starr Army revolvers issued to Cobb's Legion Cavalry Battalion in December of 1862. Also attached is the document from the CMSR of the receiving officer, Capt. Jeremiah E. Ritch of company B (later became company H as part of ANV).
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Thank you, Ed. That is VERY cool info that you've got there. I wish more records for this company existed, but they're more uncommon than hens' teeth. I believe the company's manufacturing records died with the company. Sad...

Karl
 
That's pretty interesting. The hand writing is difficult to read but if I'm correct I read there were also Whitney pistols, Adams pistols and some Colt's pistols issued as well. Outstanding, thanks for posting that!

It never ceases to amaze me how beautiful handwriting was back then. I truly wish such penmanship was still taught today.

Karl
 
I'm shifting my focus a bit so have decided to sell this neat Starr revolver at a loss to free up funds for something else. It's listed on one of the more popular sites if interested.
 

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