Southern unionism

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Would southern unionism have faded away if there had been no conscription? Is it not fair to view southern unionism as merely a reaction to conscription after the enactment of the first conscript law in contrast to the southern unionism that existed during the debates over secession.
Southern unionists also felt the harsh hand of union troops as they the ravaged the land, plundering/burning.
 
Would southern unionism have faded away if there had been no conscription?

Perhaps not. The conscription was apparently considered a means of suppressing it some, or breaking up its organization.

With the opening of the war "Unionism" or any adherence to the US Constitution, etc. was considered "treasonous" within the Confederacy. So many who otherwise abided the Confederacy, who didn't necessarily care for it, called their movements "peace" oriented to avoid trouble if possible, etc.
Many considered it "treasonous" nonetheless, especially in the Army. From Georgia Lee Tatum's "Disloyalty in the Confederacy" (1934):

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The conscript acts, brought many Union men, in sentiment at the least, into the Confederate Army.

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Even among the more enthusiastic volunteers in the Army, the Conscription acts were obnoxious. Sam Watkins of the 1st Tennessee observing even they were technically held to service by them too...

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Colonel Oates of the 15th Alabama Volunteers observed much the same...

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Is it not fair to view southern unionism as merely a reaction to conscription after the enactment of the first conscript law in contrast to the southern unionism that existed during the debates over secession.

Opposition was various. From historian Georgia Lee Tatum:


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Even before the general Conscription acts were passed in April, 1862, accused Unionists were being pressed into Confederate service to break up the "peace" movement, as in Arkansas...

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After the Conscription acts from April 1862, which acted upon all military age men, anyone opposing the operation of the conscription acts upon them were charged as "deserters" potentially subject to the military punishment for same, etc. by the Confederate Army directly, without concern about civil arrests and trial, etc. Further...

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According to John H. Aughey of Tupelo, Mississippi after the conscription acts the "peace society" sorts continued their organization in hopes of avoiding aiding the Confederacy where they could help it (though, as he says, some of them considered it necessary to attend the State Militia musters at least)...

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Historian James Ford Rhodes observed the "peace" movement was South wide, and even in the Army despite threats of punishment.

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Apparently with the enforcements of the Confederate conscription acts of 1862-65, unionism or "peace" sentiment was perhaps more common within the Confederate Army than it would have been otherwise. The "Peace society" and its influence spread throughout the Army late in the war as the conscription increased its reach, simultaneous with the Confederate decline... General Bragg was apprised by Col. W.H. Walter in May, 1864 that such men had given up on any political movement for peace in the South on its own, and awaited the inevitable defeat of Confederate arms to manifest their dissatisfactions... Again the Confederate Army considered the peace/union influence among the troops to be a wolf they held by the ears...

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General Clanton about the same time observed that efforts to punish or suppress the "peace" movement in the Army had been too draconian, and he denied that its adherents were traitors, (as in outright unionists) etc. despite the military punishments meted out to those suspected of such sentiments...

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General Clanton claimed that the peace movement originated in the army in General Bragg's army in 1862-63...

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By late 1864 Jefferson Davis lamented that a significant proportion of the troops were absent without leave, and doubted they intended to return of their own volition. And morale was dropping generally.

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So it appears in the CS Army, the active disaffection of the "peace" men, and the demoralization of the balance, coincided some in the last months of the war.

Other Union men in the South headed off to the North or west. Or joined the Union Army.

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Union sentiment Folks at home varied too in their actions. Some remained outspoken Union men, come what may. Others were more quiet about it.

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But it was apparently the view of a large and relatively quiet number of the Peace/Union men however, that amidst the generally unfavorable circumstances the Union victory was the quickest way to peace but otherwise did nothing to promote it, but await the outcome of events. George D. Gravely of Henry County, Virginia, who it was said quietly awaited a Union victory as necessary to overthrow the Confederacy's military authority, observed:

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Southern unionists also felt the harsh hand of union troops as they the ravaged the land, plundering/burning.

Indeed. Under the Proclamations of the President of the USA all inhabitants of the "States in rebellion" (per the act of July 13, 1861) were considered in insurrection against the United States (for abiding the rebel State governments to any extent) irrespective of their personal opinions or actions. The most active exemption from this condition was allowed for after 1863, when the citizens were allowed to take the oath of allegiance to the United States relative to reconstruction, etc. Though even in that condition, were subject to all the vicissitudes of war, from either side, and even to arrest or significant punishment by Confederate authorities.

For example Mr. Aughey noted of a couple fellows who took the US oath who he understood were executed upon falling into Confederate hands again...

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Conversely, for a Southern citizen to take the US oath of allegiance, and be subsequently taken in arms with the Confederates, was a death sentence as well.

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This was also noted on the oath certificates...

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However, it was understood even some of those who took the oath to the US during the war subsequently turned guerrilla, etc. in some of the Union occupied areas regardless

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Is it not fair to view southern unionism as merely a reaction to conscription after the enactment of the first conscript law in contrast to the southern unionism that existed during the debates over secession.

Yes this is unfair. There were significant numbers of unionists at the start of the Civil War.

Even Confederate President Jefferson Davis and Vice President Alexander Stephens opposed secession until it happened...

Virginia had something like 1/3 Unionists, 1/3 "Conditional Unionists", and 1/3 Secessionists. Conditional Unionists meaning they opposed secession but would prefer to secede then be drawn into a war against seceding states.

I think most people did not have strong preferences, but supported the local side, whatever that was.
 
Don't think there was that much southern unionism really.

There was perhaps significant conditional loyalty......those who went along with Confederacy while in their sway. Then trying to present themselves as having been Unionist all along if area occupied.

As war went on there may been increasing dissent or dissatisfaction within Confederacy, but often think it wouldn't necessarily be accurate to call it Unionism. There was some increasing dissatisfaction with war and draft in the north as well, think if would be equally inaccurate to describe it as somehow loyalty to Confederacy as well.........

If one had significant loyalty to whichever one wasn't in their area......particularly among military age males, think they would made their way to other to enlist.
 
There was some pro-Union sentiment but not enough, IMO, to make a difference. The panhandle of Texas voted against succession but they were in the minority. Eastern Tennessee was more pro-Union than Western Tennessee but who held the votes?
 
Unionism was prevalent in East Tennessee long before conscription. Only the counties of Sullivan, Meigs, Monroe, Rhea, Sequatchie, and Polk voted in favor of secession on June 8, 1861. The opposition was strongest in Scott (99% against), Sevier (96% against), Carter (94% against), Campbell (94% against), and Anderson (93% against). Rhea County showed a dramatic move, moving from 88% against secession in February to 64% for it in June. Scott County actually voted against secession and instead attempted to secede from Tennessee to remain with the Union. Felix Zollicoffer attempted to appease Unionists and at least get along with them. He was followed by Kirby Smith, who considered all East Tennesseans traitors. This made a bad situation worse, and then conscription came. Tennessee put more men in the Union Army than any Confederate State. The vast majority came from East Tennessee.
 
Unionism was prevalent in East Tennessee long before conscription. Only the counties of Sullivan, Meigs, Monroe, Rhea, Sequatchie, and Polk voted in favor of secession on June 8, 1861. The opposition was strongest in Scott (99% against), Sevier (96% against), Carter (94% against), Campbell (94% against), and Anderson (93% against). Rhea County showed a dramatic move, moving from 88% against secession in February to 64% for it in June. Scott County actually voted against secession and instead attempted to secede from Tennessee to remain with the Union. Felix Zollicoffer attempted to appease Unionists and at least get along with them. He was followed by Kirby Smith, who considered all East Tennesseans traitors. This made a bad situation worse, and then conscription came. Tennessee put more men in the Union Army than any Confederate State. The vast majority came from East Tennessee.
Whomever states Southern Unionism wasn't prevalent in upper East Tennessee needs to study the history of the area. Many Unionists in area organized very early war in units & left for Kentucky when able to join Union army after dangerous & treacherous journey. Outflow of Unionist increased as Confederate force increased. Area still strong Republican except Sullivan Co.& other pockets of exceptions. Many areas of southern mountainous regions had strong Unionist, inc. NC, SC, Ala. Would have been more if wasn't for severe suppression by the Confederates. East Tennessee Roots might give a more balanced picture, but my perspective of from records of treatment of Unionist in area.
Was pro Confederate until studied what Confederacy stood for & the severe treatment of the Unionist.
Roughly stated, the rich, powerful & enslavers prevailed over suitable morals, as is today. Do not mean to offend, but this my strong opinion.
 
It is unlikely that slaveholding economics worked the way you think it did.

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Look at this map. It is the 1860 slave population map. It is a county by county accounting.

West Virginia is all the answer anybody needs. Maryland ended slavery by popular vote. The isolated slaveholding counties in Missouri were untenable.

The overwhelming majority of slaves were held in a few countries with access to a river or a port.

The question should be with the reduction in demand for farm labor brought on by mechanization, how long would chattel slavery be economically justified? From the 1850 to 1860 Census the number of slaves in many Kentucky & Tennessee counties went down.

Virginia's economy was dependent on raising humans for sale. It was "extras" from Virginia that made Nathan Bedford Forrest's fortune. As Robert E. Lee learned, slave labor agriculture in Virginia was no longer a paying proposition. There was just one way to make slaveholding pay.

The slave trade was the largest money maker in Virginia. Read more here.

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Issac Franklin was the Elon Musk of the slave trade. He perfected the transportation of extras from Virginia to New Orleans & the market in Natchez. His widow was the richest woman in America in 1865. Read more here.

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Don't think there was that much southern unionism really.

There was perhaps significant conditional loyalty......those who went along with Confederacy while in their sway. Then trying to present themselves as having been Unionist all along if area occupied.

As war went on there may been increasing dissent or dissatisfaction within Confederacy, but often think it wouldn't necessarily be accurate to call it Unionism. There was some increasing dissatisfaction with war and draft in the north as well, think if would be equally inaccurate to describe it as somehow loyalty to Confederacy as well.........

If one had significant loyalty to whichever one wasn't in their area......particularly among military age males, think they would made their way to other to enlist.
Except 104k Southern born white men enlisted in the Union Army plus there were numerous Unionist guerrillas plus freelance bandit gangs and Unionust military as well. Southern whites were hardly unified in favor of the Confederacy.
Leftyhunter
 
In most every war, people from occupied areas join the enemy, its called survival and a way to improve one's position and treatment.
That's certainly rather conditional.
Except as others pointed out young men from East Tennessee risked their lives crossing through the mountains avoiding Confederate home guards to reach Camp Dick Robertson in Kentucky to join the Union Army. Many Southern men at great risk most famously Newt Knight risked his life to desert the Confederate Army then became a guerrilla deep behind Confederate lines.
So yes Southern Unionism is absolutely a major reason the Confederacy lost.
Leftyhunter
 
No offence taken. I had relatives and divided families on both sides.
Had more Confederates on my side than Unionist. Sure, that the average Confederate was descent & brave soldier & many fought to the last end. Not sure if they fully understand the total picture, just fighting for what they believed was their country & not slavery, etc.
 
Except as others pointed out young men from East Tennessee risked their lives crossing through the mountains avoiding Confederate home guards to reach Camp Dick Robertson in Kentucky to join the Union Army. Many Southern men at great risk most famously Newt Knight risked his life to desert the Confederate Army then became a guerrilla deep behind Confederate lines.
So yes Southern Unionism is absolutely a major reason the Confederacy lost.
Leftyhunter
Well then I suppose there was Northern Confederatism as large numbers from Union Border states also crossed lines.

Newt Knight is certainly a great example of simply opportunist, why Union Army didn't recognize him postwar. Being a Union or Confederate deserter hardly makes one as somehow loyal to other side :bounce:

It remains the only side they actually served was the one they deserted. Certainly Newt only ever volunteered for one side, and it wasn't the Union....
 
Well then I suppose there was Northern Confederatism as large numbers from Union Border states also crossed lines.

Newt Knight is certainly a great example of simply opportunist, why Union Army didn't recognize him postwar. Being a Union or Confederate deserter hardly makes one as somehow loyal to other side :bounce:

It remains the only side they actually served was the one they deserted. Certainly Newt only ever volunteered for one side, and it wasn't the Union....
Then give actual numbers of Northners who fought for the Confederacy. Yes some did but Professor Current gives actual sources in his book. Knight killed Confedrates and that's good enough plus he was appointed as a US Marshall in Southern Mississippi .
Leftyhunter
 

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