Source for this article?

[Johnny_Reb_1865]

Saw this on facebook with "New Orleans, December 6, 1861".

I'd like a source for it but I can't find anything on it.

 

[NedBaldwin]

What battle is it about?

 

[USS ALASKA]

I'd like a source for it but I can't find anything on it.

Sir, https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82015753/1861-12-06/ed-1/seq-1/ - first page, 5th column, near the bottom of the page.

HTHs,
USS ALASKA

 

[tony_gunter]

Allegedly From The New Orleans Daily Crescent, Dec. 6, 1861, but I haven't confirmed it.

 

[Nathan Stuart]

There was a Confederate soldier named Levin Graham who was a musician in Company G of the 2nd Tennessee Infantry (Walkers). This regiment was organized at Memphis in mid-1861. Company G was led by Captain J. Welby Armstrong.

This regiment fought under Pillow at the Battle of Belmont (Missouri) on November 7, 1861. If the newspaper reporting is fairly contemporaneous, the battle it refers to was likely to be Belmont.

 

[tony_gunter]

There was a Confederate soldier named Levin Graham who was a musician in Company G of the 2nd Tennessee Infantry (Walkers). This regiment was organized at Memphis in mid-1861. Company G was led by Captain J. Welby Armstrong.

This regiment fought under Pillow at the Battle of Belmont (Missouri) on November 7, 1861. If the newspaper reporting is fairly contemporaneous, the battle it refers to was likely to be Belmont.

I can't find any evidence that he was a free man of color, can you? The civil war soldiers and sailor's database claims he mustered in and out as captain, which sounds unlikely for a fifer!

 

[Johnny_Reb_1865]

Can anyone pull a CSSR for him?

 

[Johnny_Reb_1865]

What battle is it about?

Belmont Missouri

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

Can anyone pull a CSSR for him?

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/180201764

 

[tony_gunter]

Can anyone pull a CSSR for him?

or for that matter, you could pull him up on the 1860 census to see if he was truly a free man of color

edit: the service record posted above lists him as such

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/180201764

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Exploring the news of the 1860's through period newspaper articles, including eyewitness accounts, editorials, and more.

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[tony_gunter]

Brass Napoleon Award - Black Southerners and the Confederate Cause--What the newspapers said: 1861-1865 | Legends of Black Confederates

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Have never understood all the hoopla around this topic. Was it illegal to enlist black soldiers in the CSA armed forces? Yes. Is it almost certain that a handful slipped through? Sure.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove exactly. There are more documented cases of Jewish soldiers fighting in the Wehrmacht in WWII.

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

Was it illegal to enlist black soldiers in the CSA armed forces?

There was no such law. In fact, there were laws passed that ensured that Black Teamsters, cooks, and musicians were paid equally as white soldiers. Captain William Thomas Jones Company C 35th NC was born a slave.

 

[tony_gunter]

There was no such law. In fact, there were laws passed that ensured that Black Teamsters, cooks, and musicians were paid equally as white soldiers. Captain William Thomas Jones Company C 35th NC was born a slave.

Teamsters, cooks, musicians? Sure. It was illegal to enlist black men as soldiers.

 

[East Tennessee Roots]

Teamsters, cooks, musicians? Sure. It was illegal to enlist black men as soldiers.

Teamsters, cooks, musicians? Sure. It was illegal to enlist black men as soldiers.

There was no such law passed. There were Black, Brown, Red, and Yellow men in the Confederate Army.


"In the fullest sense, any man in the military service who receives pay, whether sworn in or not, is a soldier, because he is subject to military law. Under this general head, laborers, teamsters, sutlers, chaplains, &c. are soldiers. In a more limited sense, a private soldier is a man enlisted in the military service to serve in the cavalry, artillery, or infantry. He is said to be enlisted when he has been examined, his duties of obedience explained to him, and after he has taken the prescribed oath"..........General August Kautz's, USA,"Customs of Service, for Non-Commissioned Officers and Soldiers" (1864), page. 11

 

[NedBaldwin]

There was no such law passed. There were Black, Brown, Red, and Yellow men in the Confederate Army.


"In the fullest sense, any man in the military service who receives pay, whether sworn in or not, is a soldier, because he is subject to military law. Under this general head, laborers, teamsters, sutlers, chaplains, &c. are soldiers. In a more limited sense, a private soldier is a man enlisted in the military service to serve in the cavalry, artillery, or infantry. He is said to be enlisted when he has been examined, his duties of obedience explained to him, and after he has taken the prescribed oath"..........General August Kautz's, USA,"Customs of Service, for Non-Commissioned Officers and Soldiers" (1864), page. 11

Does that mean that force strength was routinely undercounted ?

 

[Nathan Stuart]

I can't find any evidence that he was a free man of color, can you? The civil war soldiers and sailor's database claims he mustered in and out as captain, which sounds unlikely for a fifer!

The only other information picked up from various secondary sources was that Levin Graham was a free man of color, who was employed by Captain J. Welby Armstong, Co. G. 2nd Tennessee Infantry, as both a fifer and attendant (cook). Captain Armstrong was killed at Belmont. Looks like Graham fought at Belmont but could find no information beyond this battle about his Confederate military service.

 

[GwilymT]

The only other information picked up from various secondary sources was that Levin Graham was a free man of color, who was employed by Captain J. Welby Armstong, Co. G. 2nd Tennessee Infantry, as both a fifer and attendant (cook). Captain Armstrong was killed at Belmont. Looks like Graham fought at Belmont but could find no information beyond this battle about his Confederate military service.

Seems like his military service was limited to cook & fifer until he felt he had to grab a weapon and fight ( we can be sure the Captain didn't arm him, that would have been illegal under CSA regulations). Poor man, bound by a society that hated him and though him less for the color of his skin.

 

[GwilymT]

There was no such law passed. There were Black, Brown, Red, and Yellow men in the Confederate Army.


"In the fullest sense, any man in the military service who receives pay, whether sworn in or not, is a soldier, because he is subject to military law. Under this general head, laborers, teamsters, sutlers, chaplains, &c. are soldiers. In a more limited sense, a private soldier is a man enlisted in the military service to serve in the cavalry, artillery, or infantry. He is said to be enlisted when he has been examined, his duties of obedience explained to him, and after he has taken the prescribed oath"..........General August Kautz's, USA,"Customs of Service, for Non-Commissioned Officers and Soldiers" (1864), page. 11

Who receives the pay, the slave in service or the owner who lent said slave? If one is enslaved and is forced to cook, or fife, or drive a wagon or dig a ditch under the threat of physical punishment, do we really count them as a "black confederate"?

Also note, these are USA regulations cited, not rebel regulations.

 

[Nathan Stuart]

Seems like his military service was limited to cook & fifer until he felt he had to grab a weapon and fight ( we can be sure the Captain didn't arm him, that would have been illegal under CSA regulations). Poor man, bound by a society that hated him and though him less for the color of his skin.

Yes, it would be interesting to know what happened to this gentleman after the death of his employer, Captain Armstrong, at Belmont (November 7, 1861).