Uniforms Shoulder scale designation

[Jack7171]

Not to step on a previous posters thread about uniforms and shoulder scales, I'm familiar with the basic 3 sets of scales, I have several sets,,,but my question would be as to their use or correct "nomenclature" if you will ,, as I hate not being fully knowledgeable about things in my collection. The plain, closed bottom smooth scales are Sergeants scales if I have that correct. The closed bottom scales with the faux rivet heads or "bumps" are NCO scales,,,but as I learned in a previous post this week are actually "NCO staff scales". This is where I needs me some lernin'.
NCO staff means (insert answer here)
Sargeant means (insert answer here)
I'm a 3rd Infantry div Army vet, so I understand Sargeants, and their mission, as I was assigned to Drill Cadre after the 3rd.
How does NCO staff and Sargeant differ, with regards to the Army during the civil war?
Does NCO staff mean an officers staff members?
I've seen the scales listed as "NCO" scales, but now I see that may not be the whole description, if line Sergeants, who were NCO's, yet technically part of the Captains staff,, had different scales. Were Sergeants not considered NCO's back then?

 

[HatEnjoyer]

Not to step on a previous posters thread about uniforms and shoulder scales, I'm familiar with the basic 3 sets of scales, I have several sets,,,but my question would be as to their use or correct "nomenclature" if you will ,, as I hate not being fully knowledgeable about things in my collection. The plain, closed bottom smooth scales are Sergeants scales if I have that correct. The closed bottom scales with the faux rivet heads or "bumps" are NCO scales,,,but as I learned in a previous post this week are actually "NCO staff scales". This is where I needs me some lernin'.
NCO staff means (insert answer here)
Sargeant means (insert answer here)
I'm a 3rd Infantry div Army vet, so I understand Sargeants, and their mission, as I was assigned to Drill Cadre after the 3rd.
How does NCO staff and Sargeant differ, with regards to the Army during the civil war?
Does NCO staff mean an officers staff members?
I've seen the scales listed as "NCO" scales, but now I see that may not be the whole description, if line Sergeants, who were NCO's, yet technically part of the Captains staff,, had different scales. Were Sergeants not considered NCO's back then?

I would assume staff NCOs were senior NCOs that had administrative/logistical duties while regular sergeants were in charge of men on the battlefield.

 

[RedRover]

Sergeants and corporals were non-commissioned officers.

"Non commissioned staff" are not attached to a company or part of the line. Like within a regiment's "field and staff" the Sergeant Major, Quartermaster and Commissary Sergeants. As previously mentioned they had a staff function rather than shepherding soldiers. Or an Ordnance Sergeant, etc.

The Metallic scales were simply distinguished by the following names for the three different types. The names of the scales had no particular effect on the men's rank or condition as N.C.O.s.

 

[Jack7171]

Sergeants and corporals were non-commissioned officers.

"Non commissioned staff" are not attached to a company or part of the line. Like within a regiment's "field and staff" the Sergeant Major, Quartermaster and Commissary Sergeants. As previously mentioned they had a staff function rather than shepherding soldiers. Or an Ordnance Sergeant, etc.

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The Metallic scales were simply distinguished by the following names for the three different types. The names of the scales had no particular effect on the men's rank or condition as N.C.O.s.

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As always, thanks!

 

[Salterr]

Not to step on a previous posters thread about uniforms and shoulder scales, I'm familiar with the basic 3 sets of scales, I have several sets,,,but my question would be as to their use or correct "nomenclature" if you will ,, as I hate not being fully knowledgeable about things in my collection. The plain, closed bottom smooth scales are Sergeants scales if I have that correct. The closed bottom scales with the faux rivet heads or "bumps" are NCO scales,,,but as I learned in a previous post this week are actually "NCO staff scales". This is where I needs me some lernin'.
NCO staff means (insert answer here)
Sargeant means (insert answer here)
I'm a 3rd Infantry div Army vet, so I understand Sargeants, and their mission, as I was assigned to Drill Cadre after the 3rd.
How does NCO staff and Sargeant differ, with regards to the Army during the civil war?
Does NCO staff mean an officers staff members?
I've seen the scales listed as "NCO" scales, but now I see that may not be the whole description, if line Sergeants, who were NCO's, yet technically part of the Captains staff,, had different scales. Were Sergeants not considered NCO's back then?

Sorry about not differentiating the scale ranks better in that other post and what makes a staff position. The other members cleared it up nicely!

 

[Jack7171]

Sorry about not differentiating the scale ranks better in that other post and what makes a staff position. The other members cleared it up nicely!

Can always count on this crew to come through!

 

[Dan Kohli]

The staff n.c.o.s were from highest to lowest, sergeant major, quartermaster/commissary sergeant ordnance sergeant/ hospital steward. I don't think first sergeant were considered a staff n.c.o.