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Jeff Davis sent this back to the House of
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Representatives of the Confederate States, October 13th 1862.
Do any of the learned gentlemen of the Naval forum know more ?
 
Entirely new to me. Sounds like someone with friends in the Confederate Congress tried to make an end run around the Navy when it declined to build his ship, but Davis wasn't having any of it.
 
Hi Rebel, sorry about the wait, I'm running about a day behind.
The project you're asking about was a design by Robert Creuzbaur dubbed the "Sea King". Creuzbaur was a clerk and cartographer in the General Land Office in pre-war Texas. He had a good reputation as a map-maker and his drawings would undoubtedly be of high quality if anyone can find them. On November 25, 1861, the Texas Senate and House voted an appropriation of $500 for Creuzbaur to do a set of drawings and make models of his proposed vessel for presentation to the War Department in Richmond. Governor Lubbock endorsed the project and appointed a "scientific committee" of three, Wm. Van Rosenberg, James Brown and Dr. J.M. Steiner, to evaluate the merit of the design. The vessel was apparently patterned after the semi-submerged "cigar" steamer created pre-war by Ross and Tho. De Kay Winans at Baltimore. The Sea King had a cigar-shaped wooden hull, armor plated on exposed surfaces and propeller-driven with very little superstructure exposed above the waterline. A propulsive difference between the Winan's design and Creuzbaur's was the placement of the propeller aft at the stern versus the amidships position running around the hull of the "cigar" steamer. The cross-section of the Sea King was elliptical versus the circular cross-section of the Winans design. An intriguing feature of the Sea King was its use of an engine using hot air versus steam. This sounds like some type of Stirling engine. This feature is not as preposterous as it sounds. At least one modern Swedish submarine used a Stirling engine was success. Cruezbaur claimed the Sea King would reach a maximum speed of 18 mph. The Sea King was to have three types of offensive weapons: a ram, a breech loading submerged "cannon" facing forward and a third "mode of destruction" which the trio of Texans on the committee stated "...prudence forbids to mention...in a written communication..." This may have been a towed or pole-mounted torpedo. Supporters of the proposal were inclined to hyperbole, stating "...one such vessel constructed on the plan proposed will more effectively raise the blockade than a small fleet..." Apparently Creuzbaur did make a presentation in Richmond to "...a number of eminent naval officers" who reported back to the Confederate Congress in 1862 that "...'nothing has been done to proved the alleged claims to the speed, invulnerability, and efficiency of the vessel in either or all of which we have no confidence.'..." He applied for patents for a type of wooden shoe and for his submerged cannon. Both patents were granted. After the war Creuzbaur moved to Brooklyn, NY, and was still in residence there in 1899.

As an aside, from memory I recall finding some documents implying that Creuzbaur was involved with the Lavaca group that eventually built the Hunley and numerous moored torpedoes. I've never seen any illustration or specifications for the Sea King.
 
His "Sea King" sounds similar to the CSS Manassas but may have performed better because it would have been built from scratch, unlike the CSS Manassas. I bet it was the engine is why the review board caned it. I wonder if the review board offer any changes to his plans. I think if the design worked it may have caused havoc with the union ships.
 
Robert's map work...

http://www.starmuseum.org/TXTransformed/exhibit4.html

Here Is Robert's bio interesting.....

Robert Creuzbaur (surname also shown as Creugbauer), born Germany (other sources also show birthplace as Pennsylvania), about 1823; immigrated to the United States about 1840, and was a resident of Texas, where he was employed as a map maker; a newspaper report, in the Richmond, Virginia Daily Dispatch of Tuesday, December 17, 1861, quotes a report from the Texas State Gazette, "The invention of Mr. Creuzbaur, which is secret as yet, and for the bringing of which to the notice of the Confederate Government $500 has been appropriated, has been fully examined by a commission of three scientific gentlemen appointed by the Governor, who reported in its favour, and express the opinion that a single vessel properly constructed will be sufficient to clear any port of a blockading fleet."; appointed master not in line of promotion in the Confederate States Navy, 1862; served on the Richmond station, 1862 resigned September 1, 1862; shortly after his resignation from the Naval service Creuzbaur, through his agent, Ebenezer Allen, laid his drawings and plans for a vessel indicated to be "shot-proof, to have superior speed and facilities of steering and manoeuvring, and to be provided with destructive appliances for destroying with ease and certainty the enemy's ships" before the Confederate Congress, and in which letter, it was also indicated that some experiments had been conducted before Naval commander Maury, aboard the CSS Teaser, on the James River, and in which the conditions were fulfilled; the letter further stated "With their use from on board a shot-proof vessel of superior speed, the fleets of the enemy must inevitably be sunk or destroyed, whether they be large or small, iron-clad or wooden."; there is no indication that these attempts proceeded any further; Creuzbaur was enlisted as a private in the local defense force at Richmond, on June 18, 1863, in captain John McAnerney, Jr.'s company, Henley's Battalion of Volunteers, for the period of his residence in Richmond; at this time it is shown that Creuzbaur was in the Post Office Department at Richmond; in June of 1863, Creuzbaur was highly recommended to major general Magruder with a view of using his invention of a "floating torpedo" to destroy the enemy's vessels; subsequently he was assigned, on September 27, 1863, to duty with Magruder "for Special Service in constructing torpedoes and other infernal machines", at Houston, Texas, in further attempts to have his inventions accepted and constructed; however, it seems that, despite all his plans and inventions, Creuzbaur's devices were never accepted; surrendered and paroled, as a captain in the engineer service, at Austin, Texas on July 26, 1865; resided as a locomotive inventor, in 1880, at Austin, Texas; resided as a mechanical engineer, in 1910, with his two daughters, at Brooklyn, New York. [Register1862; CSNRegister; Compiled Military Service Record for Robert Creuzbaur, at FOLD3 1880 U.S. Census; 1910 U.S. Census; The Handbook of Texas Online at www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fcr17.]

link... http://rblong.net/sailor/cr.html
 
It's tough to know which project pre-dated the other. Stevenson and his group had working on their armored ram at New Orleans since at least mid-March. We don't know when Creuzbaur started if he had any help. He doesn't appear in state documents until mid to late fall of 1861. The Manassas had been launched and was undergoing trials by September 8 of 1861. In theory, a scratch built vessel should perform better provided that the assumptions and specifications driving the design bear any resemblance to mission it has to perform. One thing I learned early in aerospace from a very competent program manager is "only an idiot designs a new aircraft and a new engine at the same time." In that line of thinking, Stevenson and the Manassas were more likely to be productive.
 
This is not the engine. Unfortunately they don't tell us what the diaphragm & pump were to be used for. If this Patent was awarded on the date above, then the original invention and application would have been completed months if not years earlier and before the outbreak of the war.
 
Robert's map work...

http://www.starmuseum.org/TXTransformed/exhibit4.html

Here Is Robert's bio interesting.....

Robert Creuzbaur (surname also shown as Creugbauer), born Germany (other sources also show birthplace as Pennsylvania), about 1823; immigrated to the United States about 1840, and was a resident of Texas, where he was employed as a map maker; a newspaper report, in the Richmond, Virginia Daily Dispatch of Tuesday, December 17, 1861, quotes a report from the Texas State Gazette, "The invention of Mr. Creuzbaur, which is secret as yet, and for the bringing of which to the notice of the Confederate Government $500 has been appropriated, has been fully examined by a commission of three scientific gentlemen appointed by the Governor, who reported in its favour, and express the opinion that a single vessel properly constructed will be sufficient to clear any port of a blockading fleet."; appointed master not in line of promotion in the Confederate States Navy, 1862; served on the Richmond station, 1862 resigned September 1, 1862; shortly after his resignation from the Naval service Creuzbaur, through his agent, Ebenezer Allen, laid his drawings and plans for a vessel indicated to be "shot-proof, to have superior speed and facilities of steering and manoeuvring, and to be provided with destructive appliances for destroying with ease and certainty the enemy's ships" before the Confederate Congress, and in which letter, it was also indicated that some experiments had been conducted before Naval commander Maury, aboard the CSS Teaser, on the James River, and in which the conditions were fulfilled; the letter further stated "With their use from on board a shot-proof vessel of superior speed, the fleets of the enemy must inevitably be sunk or destroyed, whether they be large or small, iron-clad or wooden."; there is no indication that these attempts proceeded any further; Creuzbaur was enlisted as a private in the local defense force at Richmond, on June 18, 1863, in captain John McAnerney, Jr.'s company, Henley's Battalion of Volunteers, for the period of his residence in Richmond; at this time it is shown that Creuzbaur was in the Post Office Department at Richmond; in June of 1863, Creuzbaur was highly recommended to major general Magruder with a view of using his invention of a "floating torpedo" to destroy the enemy's vessels; subsequently he was assigned, on September 27, 1863, to duty with Magruder "for Special Service in constructing torpedoes and other infernal machines", at Houston, Texas, in further attempts to have his inventions accepted and constructed; however, it seems that, despite all his plans and inventions, Creuzbaur's devices were never accepted; surrendered and paroled, as a captain in the engineer service, at Austin, Texas on July 26, 1865; resided as a locomotive inventor, in 1880, at Austin, Texas; resided as a mechanical engineer, in 1910, with his two daughters, at Brooklyn, New York. [Register1862; CSNRegister; Compiled Military Service Record for Robert Creuzbaur, at FOLD3 1880 U.S. Census; 1910 U.S. Census; The Handbook of Texas Online at www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fcr17.]

link... http://rblong.net/sailor/cr.html
Just a slight addendum: On August 20, 1863, an advisory was sent from the War Department in Richmond to Lt.Gen E. Kirby Smith about the assignment of torpedo detachments to his Department, stating that the men, "...are to be employed in your department on the special service destroying the enemy's property by torpedoes and similar inventions...John Kirk, Charles Littlepage, John Silure, Robert Creuzbaur, E. Allen, W.D. Miller and C. Williams...These men should each be enlisted in, and form part of, an engineer company, but will nevertheless be employed, so far as possible, in the service specified above, and when the public interests, in your judgement require it, details of additional men may be made, either from the engineers troops or from the line, to aid them in their particular duties. Their compensation will be 50 per cent of the property destroyed by their new inventions, and all the arms and munitions captured by them by the use of torpedoes or of similar devices..." (OR 26:174)
 
Robert's map work...

http://www.starmuseum.org/TXTransformed/exhibit4.html

Here Is Robert's bio interesting.....

Robert Creuzbaur (surname also shown as Creugbauer), born Germany (other sources also show birthplace as Pennsylvania), about 1823; immigrated to the United States about 1840, and was a resident of Texas, where he was employed as a map maker; a newspaper report, in the Richmond, Virginia Daily Dispatch of Tuesday, December 17, 1861, quotes a report from the Texas State Gazette, "The invention of Mr. Creuzbaur, which is secret as yet, and for the bringing of which to the notice of the Confederate Government $500 has been appropriated, has been fully examined by a commission of three scientific gentlemen appointed by the Governor, who reported in its favour, and express the opinion that a single vessel properly constructed will be sufficient to clear any port of a blockading fleet."; appointed master not in line of promotion in the Confederate States Navy, 1862; served on the Richmond station, 1862 resigned September 1, 1862; shortly after his resignation from the Naval service Creuzbaur, through his agent, Ebenezer Allen, laid his drawings and plans for a vessel indicated to be "shot-proof, to have superior speed and facilities of steering and manoeuvring, and to be provided with destructive appliances for destroying with ease and certainty the enemy's ships" before the Confederate Congress, and in which letter, it was also indicated that some experiments had been conducted before Naval commander Maury, aboard the CSS Teaser, on the James River, and in which the conditions were fulfilled; the letter further stated "With their use from on board a shot-proof vessel of superior speed, the fleets of the enemy must inevitably be sunk or destroyed, whether they be large or small, iron-clad or wooden."; there is no indication that these attempts proceeded any further; Creuzbaur was enlisted as a private in the local defense force at Richmond, on June 18, 1863, in captain John McAnerney, Jr.'s company, Henley's Battalion of Volunteers, for the period of his residence in Richmond; at this time it is shown that Creuzbaur was in the Post Office Department at Richmond; in June of 1863, Creuzbaur was highly recommended to major general Magruder with a view of using his invention of a "floating torpedo" to destroy the enemy's vessels; subsequently he was assigned, on September 27, 1863, to duty with Magruder "for Special Service in constructing torpedoes and other infernal machines", at Houston, Texas, in further attempts to have his inventions accepted and constructed; however, it seems that, despite all his plans and inventions, Creuzbaur's devices were never accepted; surrendered and paroled, as a captain in the engineer service, at Austin, Texas on July 26, 1865; resided as a locomotive inventor, in 1880, at Austin, Texas; resided as a mechanical engineer, in 1910, with his two daughters, at Brooklyn, New York. [Register1862; CSNRegister; Compiled Military Service Record for Robert Creuzbaur, at FOLD3 1880 U.S. Census; 1910 U.S. Census; The Handbook of Texas Online at www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fcr17.]

link... http://rblong.net/sailor/cr.html
sorry, forgot to add this one. Robert Creuzbaur of Austin Texas was award Patent # 197 on 8/31/1863 for a "Torpedo"
 
Here is another take on the "Sea King" ... https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/etslq

SEA KING. In November 1861 a local draftsman and inventor named Robert Creuzbaur submitted a plan to the Texas government that called for the construction of an iron-plated gunboat called the Sea King for service in the Confederate Navy. At the time, the Confederate States of America was in desperate need of a navy capable of breaking the Union blockade. Creuzbaur's vessel was to be made of wood and iron with propellers at the stern and powered by a hot-air engine. He estimated that it would travel at a rate of eighteen miles an hour. In addition to the topside armaments, he proposed that the Sea King should also employ a "submarine cannon." This gun would be below the waterline and would wreak havoc on the wooden hulls of the Union fleet. Half a century before they were first used, he had proposed what eventually became the modern torpedo tube.

Governor Francis R. Lubbock appointed a scientific committee composed of William Van Rosenberg, James Brown, and Dr. J. M. Steiner. The Texas legislature also appointed committees to investigate the proposal. These committees subsequently concluded that such a ship potentially could "destroy in a short time the whole naval power of our enemies." On November 25, 1861, the House passed a bill calling for the construction of an effective marine force, and appropriated $500 for Robert Creuzbaur to present his plan to the Confederate War Department in Richmond. It is not known whether or not Creuzbaur presented his plan. Three months later, on March 8 and 9, 1862, the Confederate ironclad Virginia (Merrimack) attacked Union ships in Hampton Roads, near Chesapeake Bay and engaged in a historic battle with the Union ironclad Monitor. The race for ironclads had begun in earnest. Ironclads were built quickly and with little room for innovation or experimentation such as that proposed for the Sea King. War at sea would never again be the same.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:
Larry Jay Gage, "The Texas Road to Secession and War: John Marshall and the Texas State Gazette, 1860–1861," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 62 (October 1958). House Journal of the Ninth Legislature, First Called Session, February 2, 1863-March 7, 1863 (Austin: Texas State Library, 1963). William N. Still, Jr., Iron Afloat: The Story of Confederate Armorclads (Nashville: Vanderbilt University Press, 1971). Texas State Gazette, November 30, 1861

Another on Creuzbaur: https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fcr17

CREUZBAUR, ROBERT (?–?). Robert Creuzbaur, surveyor and draftsman, was associated with the General Land Office of Texas as a mapmaker during the mid-1800s. He probably came to Texas in the mid-1840s. Two of his maps are of particular importance. In 1848 he was commissioned to compile topographic information for a map of Texas for Jacob de Cordova, a land promoter. Creuzbaur also made a map from notes compiled by John S. (Rip) Fordqv on his exploring expedition in 1849 showing the route from Austin to Paso del Norte. This map was published for emigrants, and it gave the distances from one water hole to another, as well as pertinent landmarks and detailed descriptions of the nature of the soil and terrain. This map is included in Creuzbaur's Guide to California and the Pacific Ocean(1849). Creuzbaur also drew up a map of Austin in 1853. Sometime during the 1850s he married the daughter of Eli Kirk of Austin. In 1861 he invented the Sea King, a type of gunboat designed to fight Yankee blockaders. A joint committee from both houses of the Texas legislature appropriated $500 to enable Creuzbaur to present his plans to Confederate authorities in Richmond. After the Civil War he moved north and settled in Brooklyn, New York, where he was still living in 1899. Copies of his maps are in the Barker Texas History Center, University of Texas at Austin, and at the General Land Office in Austin.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:
Austin History Center Files. Frank Brown, Annals of Travis County and the City of Austin (MS, Frank Brown Papers, Dolph Briscoe Center for American History, University of Texas at Austin). Larry Jay Gage, "The Texas Road to Secession and War: John Marshall and the Texas State Gazette, 1860–1861," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 62 (October 1958). Kenneth F. Neighbours, "The Expedition of Major Robert S. Neighbors to El Paso in 1849," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 58 (July 1954).
 
I read somewhere he had to submit his plans to the Texas Treasury Dept. get receive his 500 dollars. Just maybe the plans for the "Sea King" are buried in the Texas Treasury's achieves... of course now I can not find where I read it...
 
I read somewhere he had to submit his plans to the Texas Treasury Dept. get receive his 500 dollars. Just maybe the plans for the "Sea King" are buried in the Texas Treasury's achieves... of course now I can not find where I read it...
You might try a double-track search. Try to find an index to the papers of the Governor of the state during that period. Also try to find an index to the business of the Texas state Senate & House. Copies of the committee examining his proposal should have been reported back to both houses of the state Legislature before the vote to support and fund Cruezbaur's trip to Richmond. I've looked carefully through the Journal and Correspondence of Cdr. Brooke at Richmond and haven't found any reference to the Sea King or Cruezbaur. Another possibility would be the files of the Confederate War Department for that period. Creuzbaur may have been shuffled off there by Davis.
 

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