Richmond flag flap, again!

[Rebforever]

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/l...cle_14dcfb38-3535-5016-a110-7e786b8817e2.html

 

[Tin cup]

"Basically, the flag is being erected as a memorial to the memory and the honor of the Confederate soldiers who sacrificed, bled and died to defend Virginia from invasion," she said.

A load of ****, this is "in your face" mentality at it's worst! All they are out to do is thumb noses at folk, honoring no one in the process.

Kevin Dally

 

[AndyHall]

This is "in your face" mentality at it's worst!

Not so much "in your face" as,"over there, behind those trees, no, more to the right, no, you passed it already! Take the next exit, double back and slow down this time!"

 

[Rebforever]

Not so much "in your face" as,"over there, behind those trees, no, more to the right, no, you passed it already! Take the next exit, double back and slow down this time."

It it would be as you say, as fast as they move on the Interstate, then they may need to salute sooner!!

 

[AndyHall]

Seriously, it's back in the trees, behind an overpass. Many of the trees are taller than the pole. If the goal is to be noticed and seen by lots and lots of people, it's about in the worst spot imaginable.

 

[Rebforever]

It has an excellent response for thew Mayor of Richmond. I hope some here can make it there to see it.

http://vaflaggers.blogspot.com/2013/09/response-to-mayor-of-richmond.html

 

[Tin cup]

http://vaflaggers.blogspot.com/2013/09/response-to-mayor-of-richmond.html
Sounds good, till you see who posted it!

Kevin Dally

 

[Tin cup]

http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2013/09/28/all-that-fuss-for-this/

Kevin Dally

 

[M E Wolf]

RebForever,

My sister, family live in Richmond, two nephews were born in Richmond, Virginia--and they've tried very hard not to laugh out loud about this 'Confederate Battle Flag Flap.'

They prefer to donate to the Museum of the Confederacy, History Museum of Virginia, preservation of Civil War Battlefields, rather than put focus on a poorly planted flagpole that if/when the trees get a better state of foliage will be obscured.

Speaking for myself, I much rather invest funds in maintaining graves of Civil War soldiers, Marines and sailors.

Every dime diverted into other splinter ideas, strips that much more cash that could be replacing broken stones, weeding around forgotten and or neglected graves. At least at looking at a tombstone or marker, you have a real person behind it....or under it. I rather honor a person rather than a flag.

Just my thoughts and opinions,
M. E. Wolf

 

[absolutfsu]

Not to sound like the typical "redneck", but Richmond WAS the capital of the Confederacy..it is a HUGE part of their history. South Carolina has been boycotted by the NAACP for years, hasn't hurt us much. I don't understand why people want to forget like it ever happened, hundreds of thousands of people died for that flag. Trying to erase and forget history, makes us damned to repeat it, and I think we are close to that point right now.

M E WOLF-"Every dime diverted into other splinter ideas, strips that much more cash that could be replacing broken stones, weeding around forgotten and or neglected graves. At least at looking at a tombstone or marker, you have a real person behind it....or under it. I rather honor a person rather than a flag."

TOTALLY agree with you on that..I walk through makeshift graveyards, and "funded" ones all the time, and wish people would throw some money or volunteer their time to clean those up..that's where the REAL PERSON is to honor..but if the funds were specifically for a flag, than so be it.

 

[Tin cup]

It it would be as you say, as fast as they move on the Interstate, then they may need to salute sooner!!

Folk MAY want think about keeping both hands on the wheel! I hope folk trying to look at the flag don't get someone killed in a auto accident!

Kevin Dally

 

[Tin cup]

Not to sound like the typical "redneck", but Richmond WAS the capital of the Confederacy..it is a HUGE part of their history. South Carolina has been boycotted by the NAACP for years, hasn't hurt us much. I don't understand why people want to forget like it ever happened, hundreds of thousands of people died for that flag. Trying to erase and forget history, makes us ****ed to repeat it, and I think we are close to that point right now.

M E WOLF-"Every dime diverted into other splinter ideas, strips that much more cash that could be replacing broken stones, weeding around forgotten and or neglected graves. At least at looking at a tombstone or marker, you have a real person behind it....or under it. I rather honor a person rather than a flag."

TOTALLY agree with you on that..I walk through makeshift graveyards, and "funded" ones all the time, and wish people would throw some money or volunteer their time to clean those up..that's where the REAL PERSON is to honor..but if the funds were specifically for a flag, than so be it.

Good money spent on a bad flag set up...you are spot on who and where money could be better spent.

Kevin Dally

 

[Rob9641]

If you want to honor the Confederate soldiers, put the flag on their graves, not on an Interstate highway. I have a hard time believing this group is honoring anybody but themselves.

I'm Yankee from way back, but I have put Confederate flags and flowers on Confederate graves to honor the man lying there. I'm not there to say "Wow, look at me, look at what I believe in!" I'm there to say I'm sorry you had to go through what you had to go through, and you are not forgotten.

The big flag on I95 and its attendant flack could have bought a lot of flags for a lot of men.

 

[Rebforever]

Seriously, it's back in the trees, behind an overpass. Many of the trees are taller than the pole. If the goal is to be noticed and seen by lots and lots of people, it's about in the worst spot imaginable.

Strange, news media say they haven't put it up yet.

 

[Rebforever]

If you want to honor the Confederate soldiers, put the flag on their graves, not on an Interstate highway. I have a hard time believing this group is honoring anybody but themselves.

I'm Yankee from way back, but I have put Confederate flags and flowers on Confederate graves to honor the man lying there. I'm not there to say "Wow, look at me, look at what I believe in!" I'm there to say I'm sorry you had to go through what you had to go through, and you are not forgotten.

The big flag on I95 and its attendant flack could have bought a lot of flags for a lot of men.

That flag is representing those that died for their cause, lost or other wise! that is what ALL Confederate flags of
any size represents. And like all Americans, folks can spend their money on whatever they want to.

 

[Rob9641]

That flag is representing those that died for their cause, lost or other wise! that is what ALL Confederate flags of
any size represents. And like all Americans, folks can spend their money on whatever they want to.

Well, there you go. I have a real hard time honoring that cause.

 

[Rebforever]

Well, there you go. I have a real hard time honoring that cause.

I don't blame you for that. If I was a yankee I am sure I would feel that way. But I am not. So therefore,
because by the grace of God I was born in the South, I will continue to support the Southern soldiers like my GG
and all those others that gave their life for a cause they were called on to fight for.

Because there is such a public fight always going on concerning the Confederate battle flag, I would much rather see those of northern persuasion be a little lenient and be more helpful in protecting American history than to destroy the parts of it being disagreed with.

R

 

[Tin cup]

I don't blame you for that. If I was a yankee I am sure I would feel that way. But I am not. So therefore,
because by the grace of God I was born in the South, I will continue to support the Southern soldiers like my GG
and all those others that gave their life for a cause they were called on to fight for.

Because there is such a public fight always going on concerning the Confederate battle flag, I would much rather see those of northern persuasion be a little lenient and be more helpful in protecting American history than to destroy the parts of it being disagreed with.

R

I don't recognize wrong or right just because of a geographic location. I used to believe in the southern cause, like many, equating modern day politics, with theirs. Then I read what they were actually saying in the Secession speeches, Secession documents, and their actions towards the Freedom of Speech of Abolitionist's. Those words and actions, and trying to break up the Union in place of the Constitutional guidelines, will forever condemn their cause.
The CBF represents FAR more than just soldiers fighting/dying in battle. The slavery cause of the Confederate Government was what every Confederate soldier was fighting for, I believe most backed that policy, many didn't, but it changed nothing. The goal of the confederate Government was always the same. It was a bad cause, period. Flaggers, and their ilk may try to separate the Soldier from the "Cause", but I stopped trying to perform that trick years ago.

The Flaggers misguided loyalty of worshiping the "Flag", needs to be channeled towards the Confederate Soldier, not a symbol.

Kevin Dally

 

[Rebforever]

I don't recognize wrong or right just because of a geographic location. I used to believe in the southern cause, like many, equating modern day politics, with theirs. Then I read what they were actually saying in the Secession speeches, Secession documents, and their actions towards the Freedom of Speech of Abolitionist's. Those words and actions, and trying to break up the Union in place of the Constitutional guidelines, will forever condemn their cause.
The CBF represents FAR more than just soldiers fighting/dying in battle. The slavery cause of the Confederate Government was what every Confederate soldier was fighting for, I believe most backed that policy, many didn't, but it changed nothing. The goal of the confederate Government was always the same. It was a bad cause, period. Flaggers, and their ilk may try to separate the Soldier from the "Cause", but I stopped trying to perform that trick years ago.

The Flaggers misguided loyalty of worshiping the "Flag", needs to be channeled towards the Confederate Soldier, not a symbol.

Kevin Dally

Nope, you have it wrong, my friend! The flag IS the Confederate soldier. No one is worshiping the Confederate flag.
Those that display that flag has the right to do that under yours and my Constitution. Thank goodness for that or
there would be no history.

 

[AndyHall]

Strange, news media say they haven't put it up yet.

They did put it up, and there are lots of photos of it, including in the previous thread.
Here's a story from the local paper this morning:

Flag flap
Confederate flag difficult to see along I-95 in Chesterfield
A large and contentious Confederate battle flag raised Saturday next to Interstate 95 near Chester is largely obscured by trees bordering the highway.

The Virginia Flaggers, a Confederate heritage group, hoisted the 15-foot-square banner on a 50-foot pole adjacent to I-95 in Chesterfield County.

"Richmond needed a reminder of her Confederate heritage," the group's Susan Hathaway said.

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