Pronunciations?

[gjpratt]

There are a number of CW figures whose names may or may not be pronounced as they appear. I found a thread that discussed the pronunciation of Gen. W.B. Taliaferro and Darius Couch. https://civilwartalk.com/threads/taliaferro-pronunciation.77707/#post-548111

What about these:

Leonidas (long or short i) Polk? (Jim Ogden researched this by interviewing lineal descendants who said the family pronunciation was short i)
Hardee — emphasis on first or second syllable?
Shoup
Cleburne (short e or "Clayburn")?
Philip Kearny (pronounced Karney? — I have been called out by separate present day Keranys for incorrectly using each different pronunciation!)
Benjamin Huger
Fremont — short e or long a? Is the last t pronounced?
Henry Heth — short or long e?
Simon B. Buckner — Simon pronounced with a long i or "seaman"?
Garnett — emphasis on first or second syllable?
Deas
Manigault
Colquitt — "quit" or "kit"?
Garesche

Any others?


Then there is always Union General Włodzimierz Krzyżanowski. ;-)

 

[rpkennedy]

We have a very small community here in Texas that also goes by that name. But I know it's not pronounced like it is in Mississippi.Plus, I'm part Polish but still can't pronounce it.

A while back, I was doing a lot of reading on WWII on the Eastern Front and read an excellent book on Fall Weiss. I had to do a lot of Google translate for the Polish names and words that I was seeing.

Ryan

 

[Pollaco]

A while back, I was doing a lot of reading on WWII on the Eastern Front and read an excellent book on Fall Weiss. I had to do a lot of Google translate for the Polish names and words that I was seeing.

Ryan

One of my brothers is having some research done on some of our ancestry. The Polish and German translations are the "roadblocks" that hinder the project.

 

[rpkennedy]

One of my brothers is having some research done on some of our ancestry. The Polish and German translations are the "roadblocks" that hinder the project.

I can imagine.

Ryan

 

[Pollaco]

I can imagine.

Ryan

Those "professionals" over there in Europe want to be paid for all the time it takes to translate.

 

[infomanpa]

Vladimir Shishanevski

Ryan

You have his last name pretty close, but his first name, "Włodzimierz" is very tricky.

 

[General Casey]

There are a number of CW figures whose names may or may not be pronounced as they appear. I found a thread that discussed the pronunciation of Gen. W.B. Taliaferro and Darius Couch. https://civilwartalk.com/threads/taliaferro-pronunciation.77707/#post-548111

What about these:

Leonidas (long or short i) Polk? (Jim Ogden researched this by interviewing lineal descendants who said the family pronunciation was short i)
Hardee — emphasis on first or second syllable?
Shoup
Cleburne (short e or "Clayburn")?
Philip Kearny (pronounced Karney? — I have been called out by separate present day Keranys for incorrectly using each different pronunciation!)
Benjamin Huger
Fremont — short e or long a? Is the last t pronounced?
Henry Heth — short or long e?
Simon B. Buckner — Simon pronounced with a long i or "seaman"?
Garnett — emphasis on first or second syllable?
Deas
Manigault
Colquitt — "quit" or "kit"?
Garesche

Any others?


Then there is always Union General Włodzimierz Krzyżanowski. ;-)

Stu Dempsey, a LBG at Gettysburg, has traveled to Poland and spoken to people there on how to pronounce the name. He says people told him it is Chiz-en-now-ski.

 

[rpkennedy]

Stu Dempsey, a LBG at Gettysburg, has traveled to Poland and spoken to people there on how to pronounce the name. He says people told him it is Chiz-en-now-ski.

It apparently also depends on where in Poland one is. Regional dialects vary the pronunciation a bit.

Ryan

 

[Pollaco]

It apparently also depends on where in Poland one is. Regional dialects vary the pronunciation a bit.

Ryan

Most ( but not all)of my ancestors remained close to where they were born. They weren't "border jumpers",the borders did the jumping back then.

 

[General Casey]

It apparently also depends on where in Poland one is. Regional dialects vary the pronunciation a bit.

Ryan

That is true but if I remember, he actually traveled to the area he was from. I know that doesn't make it one hundred percent correct, but someone who is actually going to travel to Poland to the area where someone is from to know the correct pronunciation of their name, I'll take my odds it's probably correct

 

[Pollaco]

I just saw a commercial with the Green Bay's ex-quarterback Brett Favre. They insist on calling him Farve.Fav-rey seems more like it, right?

 

[gjpratt]

Another conundrum

 

[General Butler]

I do get confused sometimes...is it Ben Butler or Spoons?
(Comedy gold)

 

[Pollaco]

He'd answer to either.

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

They insist on calling him Farve.

Fav-rey seems more like it, right?

Wrong.



His surname is pronounced as " Farv "

But I do understand the confusion. He's from one of the oldest French families along the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
All I can think of, is over time the French spelling remained the same but pronunciation changed.

Kind of like when someone from Paris has no idea what a Louisiana Cajun is talking about.
( although they are both speaking French)

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

Any New Orleans Saints fan knows how to pronounce Hebert.

Ryan

Bobby A-Bear for the win !

 

[7th Mississippi Infantry]

Oprah Winfrey comes from a town in Mississippi with that name and I don't recall her pronouncing it like that.

That's how New Yorkers pronounce it and having lived some time in the Saratoga area, that is how I learned it.

Looking at the possible Polish pronunciation, it may be closer to "Kaz-choo-sko" but I would need a Polish speaker to confirm my supposition.

Ryan

Yep, Oprah Winfrey's town is named for the Great Polish General that helped us win the American Revolution.

But as most could not pronounce his proper name, it became and remains pronounced as

" kah'sy - ess- koe" .

 

[Greshamian]

Even in the same family there can be disagreements. I know a couple who pronounce their surname - Powell differently.

 

[kholland]

I had read a few years ago that James Birdseye McPherson's last two names were pronounced Bird-zee and Muck-fur-son. Any thoughts!

 

[rpkennedy]

I had read a few years ago that James Birdseye McPherson's last two names were pronounced Bird-zee and Muck-fur-son. Any thoughts!

That sounds like something an edgy teenager would come up with.

Ryan

 

[gjpratt]

IN DC, McPherson Square is pronounced today Muck-fur-son.