Profanity

Just a rambling thought. I wonder what the most prolific cussers of the 1860s would think of what our modern "civilization" has become? We have become desensitized to the point where we no longer have any concept of what is "proper" or "polite".
Now, the average ten year old girl has a vocabulary that would make Jubal Early blush.
 
Just a rambling thought. I wonder what the most prolific cussers of the 1860s would think of what our modern "civilization" has become? We have become desensitized to the point where we no longer have any concept of what is "proper" or "polite".
Now, the average ten year old girl has a vocabulary that would make Jubal Early blush.
And here's another rambling thought. There may be a few occasions in this life when we can be so justly outraged by some positively stupid, selfish, atrocious behavior that we will want to express ourselves forcefully and capture the attention of our audience. Not all of us possess the eloquence of a Winston Churchill and some of us may need to resort to salty language to get the message across. Not that we want to publicize them on this site, but if we strip mine the English language of profanity for everyday annoyance or lack of cogent reasoning in trivial matters, what is left to use the when the occasion really does call for strong language? There just may have been times, especially in an army on a battlefield (or in basic training), where a Jubal Early or Phil Sheridan type had to issue commands with something stronger than "pretty please with sugar on top". Let us make a conscious effort to preserve the heavy artillery mortar bombs for that last ditch, not the first furrow.
 
I personally use some rude and crude vulgarities on occasion. I might be able to make a prostitute blush when I really get going. ....or maybe not. I vent my frustrations and that's for sure! I try to at least do it in an entertaining way--but it's probably not as entertaining to a lot of ears as I would like to imagine. Oh well....

Does anyone remember a VERY old movie which I think was titled "The Scarlet Pimpernel"? I think it was made in the 1930s--a full generation before I was born. I remember lines of dialogue where the officers would says things like: "It's a dashed dark secret". They were literally pronouncing the dashed letters we would see in polite print of days gone by--or letters replaced by x's in our forum here. I thought it was pretty cool.
 
Oh boy I'm gonna try really, really hard not to violate the policies of this site.

I have studied extensively the cursing of the Civil War because I am working on a script set during this period and want my characters to curse accurately. I do my best to draw cursing not from lists of expressions but from the actual letters and diaries - it is not enough to simply know what words were used, but how they were used and when.

What I have gathered is that cursing was conducted in much the same manner as it is today, just with a few slight variations.
"F***" was only used to mean intercourse. It was not used as an intensifier or as an insult until around the First World War. Humorously, during the First World War it was said that if an officer shouted, "Grab your f***ing rifle and get the f*** over here" there was nothing to worry about, but if they said, "grab your rifle and get over here" you were probably about be overrun.
"Sh*t" was in use to mean excrement and the act of defecating and it seems also to have been used as an expression of anger or frustration (but I'm not positive about that). "Pinch of sh*t" was also used as an expression, as in, "your opinion ain't worth a pinch of sh*t."
"D***" and all of its derivatives were the most commonly used swears. It was much more intense at the time given the religious connotations. It was often seen in the form "God d***ed" or just "d***ed."
"Bas***d" did not come up nearly as often as I thought it would. In fact, it seems to have not come up at all. Perhaps it was still too closely tied to "being born out of wedlock" to be just a general insult.
Instead of saying, "kiss my a**" as we would say today I saw far more instances of "suck my a**" which I got quite the kick out of. Also instances of "a**" alone being used as an insult.
Where Civil War soldiers really had fun was with variations of "son of a...." and prostitution. While the common "son of a b***" was used I found they more often would say "son of a wh*re" (am I allowed to type wh*re?).
I think my favorite use of that pops up in the novel Play for a Kingdom which does an excellent job accurately recreating Civil War speech. One character says to another one, "Get bug***ed, ye who*rehouse p*mp," which is an absolutely correct period swear.
"C***" was used to refer to male genitalia, although not nearly as much as Showtime would have us believe. "P***" was also used to refer to urine and "p***ing" to the act itself.
Many threats to "spread your guts across the parade ground" are also found in court martial records.
Surprisingly, "shut up" was in use as an expression at the time.
And, obviously though unfortunately, "n*****" was often used to refer to African-Americans. Comparing someone to a "n*******" could be a pretty harsh insult.
This is just what I remember off the top of my head - I can't remember where I saved my word document explaining it more thoroughly.
And this isn't even to begin to mention the dirty language associated with intercourse, or as the soldiers sometimes called it, "horizontal refreshments."

And as always, when reading these I'm sure you'll find that you can, in the words of the late, great Terry Pratchett, "effortlessly pronounc[e] a row of dashes."

I sincerely hope I did not violate any of the policies of the site in this post....
 
One of my biggest embarrassments was when I committed the mistake that haunts everyone in the military. I was home on leave, having Sunday dinner with my family, and asked my mother to "Pass the f**king salt, please."
No one said anything. I was too mortified to speak. My sister told me afterward that my mother was heartbroken, My dad, she said, counseled her that it was to be expected, since I was around only other men all the time. I hope she forgave me.
Well,she passed the salt,didn't she?
 
You forget these were mostly men around young and old. You pick up different ways and speech. Especially in an Army. I heard many creative cussers in the Army, officers and enlisted both. There were times when they used others words, but only in mixed company. You went to church to get out of duties, not because of the need to be there. Some believers I guess, a lot not. It was a different world then, not Little House of the Prairie. You cannot place today's thinking on those times, it will not work.
 

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