Padding In Uniforms

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I have often marveled at the way some CW officers are pictured with their chest puffed out. The description below seems to reveal the secret. Is this how all officers' uniforms were tailored?

Corporal Si Klegg and his "Pard" https://archive.org/details/corporalsikleggh000hinm/page/n4/mode/1up

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Yes, in the years leading to the Civil War jackets had padding both in the chest and shoulders. A couple of decades before the Civil War officers even had padding on thier rumps in an attempt to make their waists look thinner by comparison. The amount of padding, where it was added, and the style and type of padding used can be used to determine the time frame of when militia uniforms were made. By the Civil War the thickness of the padding in the coats and jackets had become thinner.
 
I have often marveled at the way some CW officers are pictured with their chest puffed out. The description below seems to reveal the secret. Is this how all officers' uniforms were tailored?

Corporal Si Klegg and his "Pard" https://archive.org/details/corporalsikleggh000hinm/page/n4/mode/1up

Not only were the coats frequently padded in the chest, but sometimes the vest as well!

From an 1855 tailor's book, notice of the measures to cut the suit by...

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I have a whole separate collection of pictures in this category. Here are just a few. I thought some of these guys were women in uniform when I first saw them. I'm also convinced that photographers inserted some kind rod or padding under the shirts or jackets of their subjects in an attempt to exaggerate their chest size.
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Military garments were generally cut by "extra erect" patterns, as it was similar to the "position of a soldier" as given in the tactics of the time. Here is an illustration.... Where the man's form was not itself of the "extra erect" form, the garment was padded in the chest to fill it out and prevent unsightly wrinkles, etc. Most ready-made citizen's coats were cut of a "medium" (neither stooping nor extra erect) posture, with perhaps less padding than a military officer's coat.

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@Claude Bauer Great pictures! They made me realize how easy it might be for a woman to pass as a man if she put on a uniform, given the style of the uniforms and the number of very young boys who were allowed to join up.
That last picture really shows how creative tailoring helped an extremely thin young man look a lot stronger.
 
Not only were the coats frequently padded in the chest, but sometimes the vest as well!

From an 1855 tailor's book, notice of the measures to cut the suit by...

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I have to believe all that padding added to the danger of wounds getting infected given that a flattened bullet would drag a lot of padding into the body. No doubt it caused much more probing by surgeons. On the other hand, it would have been warm in the winter. Hot in the summer though- is it my imagination that Southern uniforms did not seem to have quite as much "enhancement"?
 
On the other hand, it would have been warm in the winter. Hot in the summer though
I have a reproduction 1858 pattern, heavy wool US Marine musician's dress frock coat that was hand made by the Ship's Company's seamstress to period specifications. It has padding in the chest area just as they would have done back in the day (but nowhere near as exaggerated as some these guys I have pictures of). I pity anyone who had to wear it the deep South during the summer. Even wearing here in Maryland during the summer is almost unbearable. Further proof in my estimation that the people who designed those uniforms never had to wear them!
 
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My frock coat is padded in the chest and is stiflingly hot on a summer day! It does give you a great shape, though! This is a piece of the period look that modern reenactors find difficult to replicate because it creates a fit that´s different from even a modern suit coat and - truth be told - is not comfortable. (Anyone who tells you the fabric ¨breathes¨ or ¨gets sweated in¨ is just mildly delusional and has gotten used to the discomfort.)
There are a couple ¨never say never¨ appearances in these photos:
The hatted gentleman in the first image looks for all the world like he´s wearing one of those crushable felt hats that curl up to a ¨potato chip brim¨ which are ubiquitous in current reenacting! Also, the private with the bad teeth looks like he´s wearing a bad repop coat - the kind we would tell newbies was made in Pakistan! What a bunch of farbs! :bounce:
 
I have to believe all that padding added to the danger of wounds getting infected given that a flattened bullet would drag a lot of padding into the body. No doubt it caused much more probing by surgeons. On the other hand, it would have been warm in the winter. Hot in the summer though- is it my imagination that Southern uniforms did not seem to have quite as much "enhancement"?
Here's the inside of a CS Army general's coat, with the quilted padding in the lining...
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From Civil War minutes with Michael Krause...

Civil War Minutes: Confederate Officers' coat

Somewhere, I have seen a reference to US Army officer's coats tailored without padding in the deep South/Gulf district, etc.
 
The answer to your question is no, not all officer's frock coats were padded, it was a matter of preference and means. Also, Claude's wonderful photos show officers with padded coats, but most with the buttons undone in the chest are just showing what happens with a tightly fitted jacket and you undo buttons in the chest area. Very few enlisted jackets were padded and many officer's were not.

The collection of officer's jackets in my possession, only 10% are padded and they are field officer's coats, that is not to say that line officer's didn't, but means and preference dictated. Some had a field coat that was not padded and a dress coat that was.
 
The answer to your question is no, not all officer's frock coats were padded, it was a matter of preference and means. Also, Claude's wonderful photos show officers with padded coats, but most with the buttons undone in the chest are just showing what happens with a tightly fitted jacket and you undo buttons in the chest area. Very few enlisted jackets were padded and many officer's were not.

The collection of officer's jackets in my possession, only 10% are padded and they are field officer's coats, that is not to say that line officer's didn't, but means and preference dictated. Some had a field coat that was not padded and a dress coat that was.
My takeaways from all this is that the ideal manly physique of the mid 1800s appears to be a barrel chest and a small waist and experienced tailors could stitch clothes to create that illusion if a man's actual physical build did not measure up to the ideal - like men's suit coats today are padded in the shoulders because the ideal is broad shoulders.

I was surprised looking at the officers ' uniforms in the Gettysburg museum because they seemed so small. Now I think they looked small because they were cut narrow on the shoulders - all the better to make the chest appear larger.
 
My takeaways from all this is that the ideal manly physique of the mid 1800s appears to be a barrel chest and a small waist and experienced tailors could stitch clothes to create that illusion if a man's actual physical build did not measure up to the ideal - like men's suit coats today are padded in the shoulders because the ideal is broad shoulders.

I was surprised looking at the officers ' uniforms in the Gettysburg museum because they seemed so small. Now I think they looked small because they were cut narrow on the shoulders - all the better to make the chest appear larger.
The uniforms looked small because they are small. The average soldier of the period weighed approximately 165 lbs.
 
My frock coat is padded in the chest and is stiflingly hot on a summer day! It does give you a great shape, though! This is a piece of the period look that modern reenactors find difficult to replicate because it creates a fit that´s different from even a modern suit coat and - truth be told - is not comfortable. (Anyone who tells you the fabric ¨breathes¨ or ¨gets sweated in¨ is just mildly delusional and has gotten used to the discomfort.)
There are a couple ¨never say never¨ appearances in these photos:
The hatted gentleman in the first image looks for all the world like he´s wearing one of those crushable felt hats that curl up to a ¨potato chip brim¨ which are ubiquitous in current reenacting! Also, the private with the bad teeth looks like he´s wearing a bad repop coat - the kind we would tell newbies was made in Pakistan! What a bunch of farbs! :bounce:
The bad teeth CDV subject is wearing what appears to be a pre war frock from the Schuylkill Arsenal. The high collar was emblematic of these coats and to specification.
 
My takeaways from all this is that the ideal manly physique of the mid 1800s appears to be a barrel chest and a small waist and experienced tailors could stitch clothes to create that illusion if a man's actual physical build did not measure up to the ideal - like men's suit coats today are padded in the shoulders because the ideal is broad shoulders.

I was surprised looking at the officers ' uniforms in the Gettysburg museum because they seemed so small. Now I think they looked small because they were cut narrow on the shoulders - all the better to make the chest appear larger.

So in cutting a coat for an "erect" form, the front is longer than the back.
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In cutting a coat for a stooping figure, as for a laborer, the back is longer than the front...
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Soldier's "Uniform" clothing was cut for an erect figure, fitting the "position of a soldier" as given in the tactics, etc. So when the soldier slouches, as they are sometimes in sitting for their portraits, the extra length in front bows out...
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This is corrected when the soldier stands erect, at attention...
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in the cases of older men, or fellows generally stooping in their formation, (and Col. Fremantle noted the Union army stood out to him for their generally slouching rank and file) the advantage of padding, just like in modern garments, its to compensate for any slouching, and to fill out the chest to prevent wrinkling, etc.
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the fatigue blouse was cut more as if for a laboring man, and was more comfortable...
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The tailor books, like Devere, Minister, etc. all reference a 36 or 38 inch chest (with vest) as near standard.
Our sons hit that mark in high school (36-38). So the average soldier was much shorter/ lighter then but that was evidently not because of their age as opposed to older officers. Really helps to understand how things actually were at that time in history. 👍👍
(But I'm still kind of shocked at how small the uniforms looked!)
 
People are larger than ever. In my 20s at 6 foot tall and 165 pounds I could wear a 38 jacket, but a size 36 jacket was a bit too snug (mostly too tight in the shoulders and chest). When I visited a military museum in Japan I saw adult armor that would not have fit me when I was a 5 foot 7 inch 13 teen year old. I might have been able to wear the adult armor when I was 11 or 12.
 

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