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[kevin klein]

Soon the next model will get started. It is a variation of the USS Dunderberg. After this, I think I will make a real design.

 

[Dilandu]

Hm... what could be the reason to have the single turret behind the casemate? If I recall correctly, the original design was supposed to have two turrets on the top of casemate, to provide better fire arcs & gave the guns ability to work in any weather.

 

[kevin klein]

Hm... what could be the reason to have the single turret behind the casemate? If I recall correctly, the original design was supposed to have two turrets on the top of casemate, to provide better fire arcs & gave the guns ability to work in any weather.

I thought I would I would compromise and split the deference with one turret. Having it on top might make it a little top heavy and the field of fire wouldn't be much worse since the masts, funnel and rigging would not be in the line of fire. Besides it looks kinda neat.

 

[Tut11]

Kevin, looks to be a fine ship build start. Look forward to your updates.

 

[Ironclader]

I have the original (as built) William Webb plans if you want them, plus some from the National Archives that show the turret. Tiffs or pdfs.

 

[Ironclader]

The plans were used by John Taylor of San Diego to make for me this sculpture, which I posted about some months ago.

 

[kevin klein]

I have the original (as built) William Webb plans if you want them, plus some from the National Archives that show the turret. Tiffs or pdfs.

FP, yes I would like to see the plans, how do I get them? Thanks

 

[Ironclader]

I couldn't figure out how to rotate the image from my phone yesterday, so I did it from my laptop.

 

[Ironclader]

FP, yes I would like to see the plans, how do I get them? Thanks

I will get them together for you and send DropBox links for them.

 

[Ironclader]

KK - Before I start a conversation to send the download links, I post below Dunderberg plans info of possible general interest:

I have four sources for plans:

1) the fourteen 1863 Smithsonian construction plans, which show the two turrets that were subsequently deleted. (The plans were provided in paper by www.marylandsilver.com, which has apparently closed down.) I have not scanned them, but they include a Plan sheet that has shows the decks and turrets in plan and elevation, has a body plan (lines in a section view), locates various key spaces, and has details on boilers and engine.

2) the 1895 William H. Webb folio plans, which I scanned from a set of unbound originals. These are eight sheets, of which six mate to make up three sheets:
a) centerline section & half-breadth plan
b) cross-sections, gun deck plan & weather deck plan
c) orlop deck plan & berth deck plan
The other two plans are:
d) launching ways
e) spars & sails

3) two sheets from Atlas du Genie Maritime (available online)
GM12PL0625 0626 Midship section and longitudinal section of the battleship building Dunderberg
GM14PL0726 0727 The accommodations of Dunderberg

4) A plan of the decks from Warship International (No.4, 1993)

In addition, I have a plan of the screw propeller from Warren's 1872 drafting workbook.

 

[kevin klein]

FP, thank you. I will be looking forward to them. My only worry is that after seeing them I will want to make changes and redraw everything. The model you show looks very ghostly, wonderful.

 

[Ironclader]

Here is a pdf of the National Archive plan for Dunderberg with two Ericsson turrets atop the superstructure. They were deleted from the design.

 

[kevin klein]

Here is a pdf of the National Archive plan for Dunderberg with two Ericsson turrets atop the superstructure. They were deleted from the design.

GOT IT, Thank you.

 

[rebelatsea]

Studying that plan made me wonder if the ship would have worked with the turrets on F'csle and quarterdeck, and whether anyone actually made that suggestion, although the rig would have got in the way somewhat.

 

[Ironclader]

Maybe the stability analysis was done by Alban Stimers.

 

[rebelatsea]

Maybe the stability analysis was done by Alban Stimers.

No, Dunderburg floated !

 

[kevin klein]

Well here we go. The "USS Wonderberg" is under construction. It starts out with a piece of 1/8" and 1/4" masonite glued together for the desired thickness and wood shims to resemble something of a sheer line.

Some had asked about a thread on the build of the last model but was too far along in progress for that, so I will do that here.

Stay tuned.

 

[kevin klein]

Got a little more done, framed out the casemate.

 

[rebelatsea]

Got a little more done, framed out the casemate.

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Looking good so far. One small point, you have put the "Atlanta" jog in the fantail. It was done on her because they were following as far as practicable the lines of the original hull. A new build's lines would be straight. A carpenter friend of mine pointed out that the "Atlanta" form introduces a weakness into the structure at the change of angle.

 

[kevin klein]

Todays progress, the casemate is closed in. Now for the real fun stuff.