Need help.

[Desert Kid]

I need help finding any Civil War/1860s/1870's related information on the following of my ancestry.

Robert C. Hardwick (b. 1826) and Margaret E. Moore, Saulsbury, TN. And their son William Dixon Hardwick (b. 1853) and his wife Mary Ann Woods (b. 1860) born in Saulsbury, TN, and their son Guy Preston Hardwick (b. 1879), of Memphis, TN.

I also need info on William Singleton Lee (Born: Estill, KY. Served in Co. C, Baylor's 2nd Texas Cavalry CSA.) and Nellie Dennis. I need info on what their life was like on the farm in Collin County, TX before the war. And in Uvalde County, TX afterward. They eventually moved to Organ, NM and then eventually to Stockton, CA. Their son, my ancestor, Barnett Lee, was active in Cochise County, AZ in the 1880s and was a miner in Pearce, AZ. Allegedly, he had rubbed shoulders with Billy The Kid, Wyatt and Virgil Earp and Doc Holliday.

Barnett married Cora C. Wiseman in California. Cora's father was John Wiseman of Texas, but I can't find anything else on these two lines. Cora died in 1913, Barnett remarried to a Beaulah who my grandmother personally knew.

 

[18thVirginia]

A history of Collin County.

http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth61096/m1/1/

 

[18thVirginia]

You might check the agricultural report of the Census--I think there were some done in Collin County.

Also, there's a historical village at Loy Lake that has some homes from early Grayson County which have been placed there. Might give you an idea of the dwellings, it's not far from Collin County.

 

[Allie]

I don't know how I missed this! I've been too busy tracking down my own folks to look at other people's I guess. I'm down to the really hard and annoying parts of my own pedigree, like people named "Jones."

I'll take a stab at your Hardwicks. Memphis history is always fun for me since I live here.

What sort of info are you missing and what do you have already? Right off I'm seeing a lot of Guy P Hardwick in the Memphis City directory.

 

[Allie]

Hmmm... I think I see why you asked. Robert C Hardwick is a mysterious guy... Where the heck is he in 1860? Logic says should be in Hardeman county but I don't see him. I also don't see a military record for him - how did an able bodied young guy avoid service? I'm not done looking yet. Let me know if you know where he is in the 1860 census.

I was hoping to be able to find a house that your ancestors had lived in, but I think your ancestor Guy Preston Hardwick, a machinist, takes the award previously held by my ancestor Luther Ramsey for living in the Memphis Neighborhood that has gone downhill the most since the early 1900's. When Guy P died in 1922, and for several years previous to his death from tuberculosis, he was living at 328 Utah. Which today is a weedy field, but which has enough little houses left nearby that you can see when he lived there it was tiny shotgun shacks for blue collar workers. Luther Ramsey, a saw filer at a factory that made broom handles, lived in a similar shack in the Greenlaw neighborhood. The site of Luther's house today is the Greenlaw park, next to a corner store, which when it was photographed by the Google van, had actual corner boys like the ones from "The Wire" standing in front of it throwing gang signs. Your ancestor's neighborhood, on the other hand, has a housing project. An abandoned housing project. With a little tiny shotgun shack with a tarp over the roof and a sagging porch, but you can tell people still live there because there is a brand new city trash can. Next to a slightly nicer mid century house with two flashy cars in the drive. Yes, your neighbor might be a drug dealer if he buys a vintage Corvette before he fixes his roof. Ah, Memphis!

Guy Preston Hardwick today is in a much nicer place, Forest Hill Midtown. Not quite as famous as Elmwood but a truly lovely old cemetery. My grandmother is there.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77810532&ref=acom

I'll take another crack at this later today.

 

[Allie]

By the way you're having trouble finding info on Guy Preston in the 1870's because he was born in 1890. All census records, his military draft card, and his death certificate are consistent.

I love these draft cards... Description and the info that he had lost an eye and a finger.

 

[Desert Kid]

By the way you're having trouble finding info on Guy Preston in the 1870's because he was born in 1890. All census records, his military draft card, and his death certificate are consistent.

I love these draft cards... Description and the info that he had lost an eye and a finger.

View attachment 80361

Thanks so much Allie!

Bigger question is, what happened to his dad?

Robteb1 when he was still here on CWT, had summarized that RC Hardwick died in Dallas, Texas around 1910.

But that is the baffling part. How could a guy of fighting age, who came from a secessionist West Tennessee county avoid the service!?

 

[Desert Kid]

The Hardwicks were Freemasons too, don't know if that helps.

 

[Frederick14Va]

Robert C Hardwick B.1826, d. March 7th 1860 (?); married to Margaret Moore (1836-May 8th 1860).

There is another "Robert C Hardwick" that was in the same general area B. Dec 26th 1827 (Tn) D. Oct 2nd 1910 in Tx.. that was married to a Betty Warren of Tn... So may find references of a "Robert C Hardwick" in that area of TN that could be either person.. that you would need to sort out...

Robert C Hardwick (1826-1860)
- William Dixon Hardwick (1853-1919)
- Guy P Hardwick (1890-1922)

Hardwick / Hardwicke family has roots in Henrico Parish Va back in the 1730's... also many in Richmond Va, Chesterfield Co Va, and Lynchburg Va areas during the Civil War period... that might be further connected.

 

[Allie]

Robert C Hardwick B.1826, d. March 7th 1860 (?); married to Margaret Moore (1836-May 8th 1860).

There is another "Robert C Hardwick" that was in the same general area B. Dec 26th 1827 (Tn) D. Oct 2nd 1910 in Tx.. that was married to a Betty Warren of Tn... So may find references of a "Robert C Hardwick" in that area of TN that could be either person.. that you would need to sort out...

Robert C Hardwick (1826-1860)
- William Dixon Hardwick (1853-1919)
- Guy P Hardwick (1890-1922)

Hardwick / Hardwicke family has roots in Henrico Parish Va back in the 1730's... also many in Richmond Va, Chesterfield Co Va, and Lynchburg Va areas during the Civil War period... that might be further connected.

I'm seeing Betty as his second wife. What indications do you have that they are two different people?

Blended family from 1870, with children of first marriage plus Elizabeth, aka Bettie. "L" seems to be an error for Sawnie.

 

[Desert Kid]

Robert C Hardwick B.1826, d. March 7th 1860 (?); married to Margaret Moore (1836-May 8th 1860).

There is another "Robert C Hardwick" that was in the same general area B. Dec 26th 1827 (Tn) D. Oct 2nd 1910 in Tx.. that was married to a Betty Warren of Tn... So may find references of a "Robert C Hardwick" in that area of TN that could be either person.. that you would need to sort out...

Robert C Hardwick (1826-1860)
- William Dixon Hardwick (1853-1919)
- Guy P Hardwick (1890-1922)

Hardwick / Hardwicke family has roots in Henrico Parish Va back in the 1730's... also many in Richmond Va, Chesterfield Co Va, and Lynchburg Va areas during the Civil War period... that might be further connected.

How could he have a son 30 years after he died!?

 

[unionblue]

How could he have a son 30 years after he died!?

Determination?

 

[Frederick14Va]

How could he have a son 30 years after he died!?

Descendent chain to the ancestor indicated in the OP... not children thereof...

 

[Eagle eye]

Thanks so much Allie!

Bigger question is, what happened to his dad?

Robteb1 when he was still here on CWT, had summarized that RC Hardwick died in Dallas, Texas around 1910.

But that is the baffling part. How could a guy of fighting age, who came from a secessionist West Tennessee county avoid the service!?

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Maybe he went to Canada?

 

[Frederick14Va]

Robert C Hardwick; B. 1826 (Tn) D. 1860
(son of "A. Hardwick" 1790-1850 and "Mary" 1804-1870)
Married; Margaret W Moore
Children:
-----William Dixon Hardwick 1853-1919
-----Liverias Hardwick b. 1854
-----Fredonia Hardwick b 1856
Married (?): Elizabeth (?)
----- Julia Hardwick b. 1858


Robert C Hardwick B. Dec 26th 1827 (Tn). D Oct 2nd 1910 (Dallas Texas)
Married: Betty Warren
Children:
----- Sawnie Warren Hardwick b.1865 (Tn)
----- Robert Lee Hardwick b.1868 (Tn)
----- Mary Amanda Hardwick b.1874 (Tn)
----- Edward Ross Hardwick b.1881 (Tn)

 

[Desert Kid]

It's all very strange.

 

[Allie]

That death date is spurious, ignore it. Robert C died in Texas in 1910. I've seen the tree claiming the earlier date and it's unsourced.

 

[Allie]

Here are his death certificate, death notice, and obit.

The mention of the Royal Arch Masons in Saulsbury proves that this guy, husband of Bettie Warren, is the same as your guy.

He married Bettie Warren in 1865. She appears to have been briefly married to a man surnamed Tate (Possibly Captain William J Tate of Neely's Cav) and widowed, then married him. His first wife had died in 1860.

Edit: should be Pate, not Tate. Sorry.

 

[Allie]

First wife's grave.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=61846492&ref=acom

Second wife's marriage. Original is not online but can be ordered.

Name: R. C. Hardwick
Spouse: Elizabeth Pate
Marriage Date:29 Oct 1865
County:Tippah

That's Tippah county, MS, which may be where he was in 1860. He was definitely in Hardeman in 1862, as he appears on the special taxation list in district 17. I have checked district 17 by hand in the 1860 census and the family is not there.

Date of second marriage is corroborated by the 1900 census.

 

[Allie]

Okay, now that I have corrected my error Tate for Pate, I have more of the story. Miss Ann Elizabeth Warren married William H Pate in Tippah county in 1861. According to the title of a private story which I can't see, William H Pate of Tippah co was murdered in 1865. Looking for more info.

Edit: there were two Confederate William H Pates from Mississippi, neither of whom survived the war. Neither man has anything to indicate he was Ann Elizabeth Warren's first husband, and both died before 1865.

I'm not finding any more information on that murder story. Until I hear back from the person who has it attached to her tree, consider it possible but unsupported.