Need help with a photo ID

[Mike Serpa]

Both Reuben S. Smalley and Richard J. Gage were in the 104th Ill. Vol. Inf. and were Medal of Honor recipients. I marked Smalley and am hoping someone might know which one is Gage.

https://archive.org/stream/historyofonehund00calk#page/n469/mode/2up

 

[lelliott19]

Not sure if I can be of any help at all but thought I'd give you a hand anyway. Maybe the names and dates will help someone else locate reference images.

"B Schaub" is Baltzer Schaub b. 1842 d. 1929 buried in Livingston County, IL - no photos found

"Corp C H Makeever" is Cyrus Hard Makeever b. 1841 d. 1911 buried in LaSalle County, IL - no photos found

"R J Gage" is Richard J Gage b 1842 d. 1903 buried in LaSalle County, IL - no photo found

"J J Ford" is a tough one. Too many J J Fords to be certain, but he may be John J Ford b. 1843 d. 1923 and buried in LaSalle County, IL

"Grover C Clark" was later a Methodist minister and a Dr b.1845 d. 1935 buried in McHenry County, IL - here's a pic of him for comparison. He would be the youngest of the men in the pictures.

 

[AndyHall]

There is a user-uploaded image on Ancestry (hush!) said to be Gage that matches the image at lower left. So the caption may be first column is top row, second column is bottom row.

That's from a book, yes? Are there similar pages of portraits to verify the pattern?

 

[Northern Light]

Well, you can eliminate four, right of the bat: the one you have identified, the one with the curly hair, the one who looks like Kevin Corcoran on the bottom left, and the one at the bottom, whose eyes look as if they are blue. Of the other two I would guess the top one, as he has a swarthier complexion and thicker eyebrows.

 

[Mike Serpa]

I sooo confused! lol.
@lelliott19 thanks for your help. Grover C. Clark looks like the one on the top left with the tie?

@AndyHall thank you. Why are we keeping ancestry on the down low? Yes, from a book. There are there similar pages of portraits but I could not be sure of a pattern. After reading your post I split the photo into separate portraits and did a photo search of each one. I found this photo. I think it is the one you found on ancestry?

@Northern Light thank you for your help, also. How did you make your choice to eliminate the photos? And, who is Kevin Corcoran? lol.

 

[Northern Light]

I sooo confused! lol.
@lelliott19 thanks for your help. Grover C. Clark looks like the one on the top left with the tie?

@AndyHall thank you. Why are we keeping ancestry on the down low? Yes, from a book. There are there similar pages of portraits but I could not be sure of a pattern. After reading your post I split the photo into separate portraits and did a photo search of each one. I found this photo. I think it is the one you found on ancestry?
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@Northern Light thank you for your help, also. How did you make your choice to eliminate the photos? And, who is Kevin Corcoran? lol.

Well, Mike, you identified Smalley, so he is out.
The guy on the right with the curly hair has VERY curly hair and light eyes so he is out.
The guy on the bottom has very light coloured eyes, so he is out.
The one on the bottom left has very distinctive features, which don't match up with your guy, especially the crease between the eyebrows. And now as we see, he was in an asylum.
That leaves us with the top left and the top guys. I chose the top one, because he has a dark complexion and no moustache, and our portrait doesn't have a moustache. the lower face seems narrower than the moustachioed man, who has a very square jaw. As well, and this is very subjective, the other one looks like he has a sparkle in his eye, while the top one looks very serious, as does the portrait.
You must be a lot younger than me, Mike. This is Kevin Corcoran.

He played in Johnny Shiloh, Old Yeller, and a bunch of other Disney movies way back when the dinosaurs roamed!

 

[Northern Light]

I just realized that I was looking for the guy in the portrait, not your guy. However, aas you said Clark was the youngest, I think I was right about HIM being the top guy, so maybe you can eliminate him as well as the other two.
Or maybe I'll just crawl back into my hole and pretend I never saw these pictures!

 

[Mike Serpa]

I just realized that I was looking for the guy in the portrait, not your guy. However, aas you said Clark was the youngest, I think I was right about HIM being the top guy, so maybe you can eliminate him as well as the other two.
Or maybe I'll just crawl back into my hole and pretend I never saw these pictures!

Thanks for you help. And thanks for the Kevin Corcoran help. (You might not be older than me.) Don't worry about crawling back into your hole. You are needed and enjoyed on this site.

 

[AndyHall]

I found this photo. I think it is the one you found on ancestry?

Yes, that's the one identified as Gage on Ancestry. User-uploaded material there is a real **** shoot in terms of reliability. Some errors are obvious (e.g., a child's birthdate earlier than his own parents'), but something like this is not easy to detect.

I use Ancestry all the time as a convenient way to access primary source records and organize information about an individual, but it gets dicey real fast when you get into things that other users have put online.

 

[Mike Serpa]

A couple of pages from the book. I matched the photos with photos from the website I found the Makeever photo.

Using the above arrows to match the original post photo...

I get this. If Makeever (lower left) is eliminated only the top right photo remains. He must be Gage but I can't rely on my "arrows of elimination" with 100% certainty. Trying to find Gage's photo for the Medal of Honor Museum so I have to be sure.

 

[AndyHall]

If that's Gage, he should get a medal for bravery for going out with his hair like that.

 

[Northern Light]

A couple of pages from the book. I matched the photos with photos from the website I found the Makeever photo.
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Using the above arrows to match the original post photo...
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I get this. If Makeever (lower left) is eliminated only the top right photo remains. He must be Gage but I can't rely on my "arrows of elimination" with 100% certainty. Trying to find Gage's photo for the Medal of Honor Museum so I have to be sure.

Now I don't feel quite so silly, I got Clark right. I think

 

[Mohawk1960]

I Agree with Mike Serpa. There appears to be a pattern with these type photos. If so then I believe R.J. Gage is the gentleman at the bottom.

 

[5fish]

Find a grave.... for Gage...

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8113841

Cemetery...

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~illasall/cemetery/maxton.htm