Need help Identifying this sword

[Specster]

Ive seen this before but I thought it was pre civil war. I think that grip is way off as well. Does anyone know?

 

[Richard E. Schenk]

This is a late post-CW example of the M1860 Staff and Field Officer sword. These were replaced by the M1902 all-officer saber, but were still worn even after that by some militia elements as well as paramilitary and non-military groups such as military schools, veterans' organizations, etc. Are there any maker's marks or other markings on the base of the blade? They could help date this sword more exactly, but I suspect it is probably in the 1890s or so. The grip is definitely wrong. It looks as though it is wrapped in tape of some sort. Originally it would have had a sharkskin or leatjher covering with a twisted wire wrap.

 

[cdt486]

Looks like a Model 1860 Staff officers Sword. Look on the underside of the countergauard you may find a makers mark there. If its a Klingenthal a makers mark should be on the blade. The French come out with a Model of this type in 1817.

 

[Specster]

This is a late post-CW example of the M1860 Staff and Field Officer sword. These were replaced by the M1902 all-officer saber, but were still worn even after that by some militia elements as well as paramilitary and non-military groups such as military schools, veterans' organizations, etc. Are there any maker's marks or other markings on the base of the blade? They could help date this sword more exactly, but I suspect it is probably in the 1890s or so. The grip is definitely wrong. It looks as though it is wrapped in tape of some sort. Originally it would have had a sharkskin or leatjher covering with a twisted wire wrap.

I think you may be right. It is being sold along with a certificate honoring the recipient. I cant make out the details and maker marks have not been post but I do not doubt it could be fraternal

 

[Specster]

 

[Specster]

 

[Glen_C]

The certificate is relating the 7th infantry mustered in and out at Taunton Massachusetts, apparent duty at the army of the Potomac. If it is truly associated with the sword, and presented by the state, no doubt within a decade of the war. Ames would be the most likely manufacturer, again if true to the individuals ownership.

There were a number of regalia an uniform companies in Boston and across the state but if it was a sword presented by the state, the bid would have gone to Ames.

A dated but useful article

Cheers

GC

 

[Specster]

 

[UCVRelics]

These were made for many years after the CW I think the scabbard will tell the tale. Is it nickle plated?

 

[Richard E. Schenk]

Hard to tell for sure, but in photo it looks nickel plated. The other point to note is the absence of a rear counterguard. This never was a regulation-compliant variation, but many companies made them for private purchase, but not until long after the war. Why do we think this is a presented sword? It doesn't look like a presentation piece. Is there something in the certificate referring to a presentation, or is the certificate just a recognition of the individual's service? (I can't quite read the certificate wording.) If not a presentation, I would suspect this sword might be a private purchase by the individual, probably for GAR use.

 

[mofederal]

I like the certificates, but I know nothing about them. This is the first time I had seen one of these certificates. The sword is one I am familiar with, having seen many of these at different times. Thanks for posting this @Specster.

 

[Specster]

Hard to tell for sure, but in photo it looks nickel plated. The other point to note is the absence of a rear counterguard. This never was a regulation-compliant variation, but many companies made them for private purchase, but not until long after the war. Why do we think this is a presented sword? It doesn't look like a presentation piece. Is there something in the certificate referring to a presentation, or is the certificate just a recognition of the individual's service? (I can't quite read the certificate wording.) If not a presentation, I would suspect this sword might be a private purchase by the individual, probably for GAR use.

What you see is the same information I have. Someone is selling it and I dont think they know much about it. For what they are asking, I am not all that interested. The certificate and scabbard come with the sword.

I could ask for more info but at this point I dont have a great interest. I think its pretty much agreed that its not a sword actually used in the ACW