Laid-back Sherman

[OpnCoronet]

Elenssar is too optimistic. It is highly unlikely either writer could be as consistently wrong over such a long period of time, without believing what they wrote. If thwey did not believe their own drivel, then over time they would tend to lose track of all their lies and glaring discrepancies would appear in their screeds.

 

[donna]

Another interesting fact about Sherman's life is that his father died when he was 9 years old. His Mother was left with 11 children and no money. Sherman went to live with the Thomas Ewing family. This was Ellen's father. Her Mother was a devout Catholic. She had William Sherman baptized in the Catholic faith when he came to live with them. It is interesting that Sherman and his wife grew up together.

 

[kenjcruz]

I recall reading a letter from Sherman that uncannily forecast the outcome of the Civil Confederacy - both the result and the causes. I think it was supposedly written to a Southener right after secession. Does anyone know the details?

 

[The Iron Duke]

I have no sympathy for Stanton. Nothing but a disgusting dirty weasel politician that tried to destroy the career of a commendable soldier the same way that Scipio Africanus and Marlborough had their reputations ruined by conniving politicians.


The general left the column for the reviewing stand, where he kissed his wife and son and greeted Ellen's father, Senator Thomas Ewing. He then shook hands with President Johnson and Grant. Next in line stood Edwin Stanton, his round, whiskered face, never very expressive, now immobile and watchful. Sherman stiffened at the sight of Stanton.

The secretary held out his hand, but the general looked coldly past him, waiting for a long moment to make clear the pointed insult, and then moved on. A murmuring undertone passed through the crowd nearby. E J Copp, a War Department telegrapher who sat a few feet away, had a clear view of Uncle Billy's face as he spurned the secretary's handshake: "Sherman's face was scarlet and his red hair seemed to stand on end." Noah Brooks, a reporter who observed the scene through binoculars, pondered whether Sherman's flush face denoted anger or triumphal revenge. -Sherman's March page 295

 

[wilber6150]

I recall reading a letter from Sherman that uncannily forecast the outcome of the Civil Confederacy - both the result and the causes. I think it was supposedly written to a Southener right after secession. Does anyone know the details?

It was a letter that he wrote I believe to a friend while he lived in Louisana at the military academy..It might be on a thread here...

 

[wilber6150]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/158980466X/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

It always helps when the authors name is posted correctly....

 

[Southland]

To be fair, Elennsar, if Cisco and DiLorenzo actually believe what they write, they are merely fools, but, if they don't believe what they write, THEN they are, indeed, scoundrels.

Would you mind designating which article from the book you are speaking from?

 

[wilber6150]

Just looking at some of the allegations brought up in the book review, I will pass..

 

[Southland]

It always helps when the authors name is posted correctly....

Sorry about that. I hope you didn't use too much time out of your day searching.

 

[Southland]

Just looking at some of the allegations brought up in the book review, I will pass..

It is a very interesting book. Tells a lot what the civilians went through and it is done with primary sources from folks both sides of the war.

 

[K Hale]

I recall reading a letter from Sherman that uncannily forecast the outcome of the Civil Confederacy - both the result and the causes. I think it was supposedly written to a Southener right after secession. Does anyone know the details?

You may be referring to something written by David French Boyd, who taught at the proto-LSU military academy when Sherman was superintendent there. Boyd related a conversation he had had with Sherman before he left the academy, in which Sherman tearfully railed against secession and predicted disaster.

Sherman was always predicting disaster.

 

[wilber6150]

Sorry about that. I hope you didn't use too much time out of your day searching.

No problem just the search with the other name didn't turn up anything..lol

 

[Nathanb1]

To be kinda fair to Stanton, in the wake of the Lincoln assassination, no one knew how far the conspiracy went, who was involved, or who else might be on the hit list. I don't blame him for being nervous, but I do blame him for wildly going off on Sherman. And as for Halleck... well, some friend he was.

I guess it's only fair, then, that Stanton's name has frequently come up in those feverish conspiracy theories.....karma bites you in the *&^% every time.

 

[M E Wolf]

Southland,

You wrote:

It seems to me there are some missing the point here. Brian Sisco's book tells a different story. I am sure most of you have not read that book. This book truly pegs Sherman of being the 'scum of the earth'. He personally ordered cannon fire that killed civilians. His men trashed the women, children and elderly. Rape and killing of the blacks and whites. On various occasions he was seen and reported for observing his men doing these things.

Like ole says, incoming.

May I have the title of the book, author you mention; chapter and or page please? I want to read it myself -- not some snip.

Respectfully submitted,
M. E. Wolf

 

[K Hale]

I guess it's only fair, then, that Stanton's name has frequently come up in those feverish conspiracy theories.....karma bites you in the *&^% every time.

That's right, he does make the A-list of suspects, doesn't he? All this misdirection at Sherman... perhaps Ed doth protest too much?

 

[Southland]

Southland,

You wrote:


May I have the title of the book, author you mention; chapter and or page please? I want to read it myself -- not some snip.

Respectfully submitted,
M. E. Wolf

Walter Brian Cisco, War Crimes against Southern Civilians. If you have the book, sir, then check out the Atlanta bombing.

addition.-

The Shelling of Atlanta.

Chapter 15, page 109

"Let us destroy Atlanta and make it desolation.". Sherman

"Superintendent of the public gas works, Mr.Warner, was himself attempting to rest at eleven o'clock on the night of August 3 when one of those iron projectiles crashed into his home at the corner Elliot and Rhodes streets. Both of his legs were severed by the missile and he died within 2 hours.
His 6 year old daughter was cut in half by the same projectile."

 

[wilber6150]

Walter Brian Cisco, War Crimes against Southern Civilians. If you have the book, sir, then check out the Atlanta bombing.

addition.-

The Shelling of Atlanta.

Chapter 15, page 109

"Let us destroy Atlanta and make it desolation.". Sherman

"Superintendent of the public gas works, Mr.Warner, was himself attempting to rest at eleven o'clock on the night of August 3 when one of those iron projectiles crashed into his home at the corner Elliot and Rhodes streets. Both of his legs were severed by the missile and he died within 2 hours.
His 6 year old daughter was cut in half by the same projectile."

Its unfortunate that innocent civilians were killed, but how does that translate into Sherman being responsible and ordering it.That just doesn't make any sense...Are we blaming every death of a civilian in a battle on the commanding general.. Then with that same reasoning, Lee is responsible for the death of Jennie Wade at Gettysburg..

 

[wilber6150]

Or if its the fact that the city was being besieged by his army that lays the blame on him, then some of the blame should be on Hood for not leaving the city and thus avoiding civilian casualties..

 

[Southland]

Its unfortunate that innocent civilians were killed,

Always is.

but how does that translate into Sherman being responsible and ordering it.

Are you kidding me?

That just doesn't make any sense...Are we blaming every death of a civilian in a battle on the commanding general..

I guess you are kidding.

Then with that same reasoning, Lee is responsible for the death of Jennie Wade at Gettysburg..

I think I have seen y'all post saying she was hit by a stray bullet. Sherman ordered the bombardment of Atlanta and went to the cannons to watch. Big difference between a cannon ball and a stray bullet. I think you would surely know what a stray bullet is? That means it could have been a yankee bullet or a Confederate bullet.

 

[Nathanb1]

I kinda think we can throw Sherman's most-quoted line in right here. "War is hell." If you're in the middle of it, too bad, so sad. Shoulda refugeed right out of there before it was too late.