Jesse James

Jesse and the It's always been kind of a running joke there isn't a period hotel or cave that supposedly Jesse James wasn't in, such is the desire of a JJ association.
I know as a kid we they took me to Marvel Cavarn ( I think) that the guide said was " one" one of Jesse's " hide outs". As I read and learned more about Jesse as a Partisan as an Outlaw and about the Gang in General I came to realize that Southwest Missouri wasn't exactly the stomping grounds of the James -Younger gang. I think it is all connected to the " Folk Hero "States.
 
I know as a kid we they took me to Marvel Cavarn ( I think) that the guide said was " one" one of Jesse's " hide outs". As I read and learned more about Jesse as a Partisan as an Outlaw and about the Gang in General I came to realize that Southwest Missouri wasn't exactly the stomping grounds of the James -Younger gang. I think it is all connected to the " Folk Hero "States.
I always found the Mark Twain cave claim curious, certainly don't think Jesse was in Hannibal during the war.

The only association of Hannibal to Q affiliated guerrillas, is an account in 1862, a couple allegedly traveled from western Missouri on Hannibal-St Jo to buy pistol caps. Jesse wouldn't been a guerrilla then.......and undercover to buy pistol caps then return by train, a hotel seems more likely stay then a cave...........
 
I always found the Mark Twain cave claim curious, certainly don't think Jesse was in Hannibal during the war.

The only association of Hannibal to Q affiliated guerrillas, is an account in 1862, a couple allegedly traveled from western Missouri on Hannibal-St Jo to buy pistol caps. Jesse wouldn't been a guerrilla then.......and undercover to buy pistol caps then return by train, a hotel seems more likely stay then a cave...........
I remember reading about the pistol caps being bought early in the war and I personally think that the two were former members of One Armed Alvin Cobb's band out of Montgomery County who had added themselves to WCQ's band sometime during Porter's retreat from Northeast Missouri or maybe Holtzclaws band out of Warren and Lincoln Counties.
I think the closest Jesse himself ever got to to the Mark Twain Cave area was well east of it in Audrain County during the 64 raid with Ol' Pap.
 
It's always been kind of a running joke there isn't a period hotel or cave that supposedly Jesse James wasn't in, such is the desire of a JJ association.
And that's absolutely true. 😆 There doesn't seem to be any cave in Missouri that wasn't a James -Younger Gang hide out and only a very few that were not a cache for Jesse to hide the KGC / CS Treasury gold when Albert Pike put an 18 or 19 year old Jesse in charge of securing said gold. 😆
 
And that's absolutely true. 😆 There doesn't seem to be any cave in Missouri that wasn't a James -Younger Gang hide out and only a very few that were not a cache for Jesse to hide the KGC / CS Treasury gold when Albert Pike put an 18 or 19 year old Jesse in charge of securing said gold. 😆
LOL. Growing up just east of St. Joe in rural northwestern Missouri, I heard similar stories. Every old shed and barn was reputed to be a James gang hideout or place where they kept spare horses.
 
LOL. Growing up just east of St. Joe in rural northwestern Missouri, I heard similar stories. Every old shed and barn was reputed to be a James gang hideout or place where they kept spare horses.
There´s a natural fissure in the creek wall at Garretson SD called ¨Devil´s Gulch.¨ The legend is that Jesse jumped his horse across the 20 foot wall there while eluding pursuit after the Northfield robbery. It´s a lovely park. James Horan seems sceptical, noting that Jesse and Frank were double-mounted on a stolen one-eyed horse. But the legend lives on...
 
There´s a natural fissure in the creek wall at Garretson SD called ¨Devil´s Gulch.¨ The legend is that Jesse jumped his horse across the 20 foot wall there while eluding pursuit after the Northfield robbery. It´s a lovely park. James Horan seems sceptical, noting that Jesse and Frank were double-mounted on a stolen one-eyed horse. But the legend lives on...
Northfield.........where the Youngers say James's weren't there:bounce:
 
LOL. Growing up just east of St. Joe in rural northwestern Missouri, I heard similar stories. Every old shed and barn was reputed to be a James gang hideout or place where they kept spare horses.
My absolute favorite myth though is that Jesse " Dingus* James an 18 year old Partisan not well thought of by his fellow Partisans and not a leader or Stalwart was chosen by the head of the KGC Albert Pike to secure and secrete the KGC gold and possibly some CS Treasury gold. History Channel or some similar channel even repeated this myth in a program about 14 years ago. I mean really you put a kid in charge of hiding and securing gold. 😆
 
My absolute favorite myth though is that Jesse " Dingus* James an 18 year old Partisan not well thought of by his fellow Partisans and not a leader or Stalwart was chosen by the head of the KGC Albert Pike to secure and secrete the KGC gold and possibly some CS Treasury gold. History Channel or some similar channel even repeated this myth in a program about 14 years ago. I mean really you put a kid in charge of hiding and securing gold. 😆
Well they had to as there's little evidence of any KGC gold.......if eliminate the gold they stole, even less........:bounce:

The whole KGC gold thing is rather mythic, there's little evidence to support the KGC being significant to even have any gold reserves.......toss in well perhaps CS treasury gold.......sure they used the Confederate star trek transporters in last months of the war to beam gold from the east where treasury was......to the west where the alleged KGC depository's seem to always be.........
 
Well they had to as there's little evidence of any KGC gold.......if eliminate the gold they stole, even less........:bounce:
Even though there's never been any evidence of KGC gold that I have seen or heard of 😆 Let's be real , Jeff Davis took the remainder of the Treasury out of Richmond and that story goes txt was divided among the escort at the end. There's no evidence that the KGC gold existed in great amounts and IMHO if it did it was divided between Pike and his cohorts, but Dingus James? Come on sell your myth to the JJA members. 😆
 
Even though there's never been any evidence of KGC gold that I have seen or heard of 😆 Let's be real , Jeff Davis took the remainder of the Treasury out of Richmond and that story goes txt was divided among the escort at the end. There's no evidence that the KGC gold existed in great amounts and IMHO if it did it was divided between Pike and his cohorts, but Dingus James? Come on sell your myth to the JJA members. 😆
That's where the legend is even more curious, as there's nothing ever been provided I've seen which would tie the escort to the KGC.

Assuming gold was gave to the escort.....the logical thought of the escort would be.......hmmm I'll take it almost 1000 miles through primarily Union occupied territory to out west like Kansas............
 
That's where the legend is even more curious, as there's nothing ever been provided I've seen which would tie the escort to the KGC.

Assuming gold was gave to the escort.....the logical thought of the escort would be.......hmmm I'll take it almost 1000 miles through primarily Union occupied territory to out west like Kansas............
What I find most curious is that having lived in West central Missouri during both the Border War ( as a child) , the Civil War and being a Partisan during the Civil War. Why oh why would Dingus James decide to secrete KGC gold in Kansas? As best as I recall that's where the " investigators" of the program concerning KGC gold focused their " investigation". IIRC they did " find" a site that contained a few coins dated within the range of the Civil War, but no bullion, gold ingots or bars or even coins. Like " Free Stater Floyd" buried what little money he had to keep " Evil Slaveocrats Border Ruffinns, from ah gettin'it."
Really I think the whole thing is beyond curious. I think it's a bad fairy tale. 😆
 
Bob Boze Bell of True West said that Arizona people viewed the Earps as "carpetbaggers". Pretty funny in the Southwest!
Well, given the ranchers and ranch hands in the Tombstone area were Texans who filtered into Arizona Territory during and after the Davis Reconstruction Texas and that the Earps were verified Unionists , at least 2 of the brothers being Union Veterans that's not all that surprising.
 
Well, given the ranchers and ranch hands in the Tombstone area were Texans who filtered into Arizona Territory during and after the Davis Reconstruction Texas and that the Earps were verified Unionists , at least 2 of the brothers being Union Veterans that's not all that surprising.

William Henry Bishop in the 1880s described Tombstone, and the cow-boys as follows...

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What I find most curious is that having lived in West central Missouri during both the Border War ( as a child) , the Civil War and being a Partisan during the Civil War. Why oh why would Dingus James decide to secrete KGC gold in Kansas? As best as I recall that's where the " investigators" of the program concerning KGC gold focused their " investigation". IIRC they did " find" a site that contained a few coins dated within the range of the Civil War, but no bullion, gold ingots or bars or even coins. Like " Free Stater Floyd" buried what little money he had to keep " Evil Slaveocrats Border Ruffinns, from ah gettin'it."
Really I think the whole thing is beyond curious. I think it's a bad fairy tale. 😆
The impression I got most the KGC stuff came from a couple prisoners who told interrogators what they wanted to hear......so some Union officials became convinced their was this huge copperhead movement/conspiracy waiting for Prices return........

But have to take into account these same Union types, even tho Missouri voted overwhelming to stay in the Union and served the Union depending on figures roughly 3 or 4-1 compared to CS......yet whose reports reflect they were convinced the whole state was prosouth and disloyal..........they simply saw unfounded ghosts everywhere:bounce::D

But think in part was cause the war here was political more then north south.........most Union leadership were republican......while confederates weren't everywhere, democrats were.....though democrat didn't actually mean confederate........
 
Makes sense there were Missourians in the mix. A lot of Missourians started really decamping from Missouri to Texas especially when GO number 11 went in effect in Burnt District and even more " lit a shuck " after the war " ended". Given how the Davis Texas was they some of them anyway would leave Texas too. Carpetbagging was a popular past time after the war.
 

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